No way klits can out box haye

I never understood why Haye is already being touted as the best Heavyweight. He is definitely an exciting boxer in the division, but to think he will just man handle vitali or Wladamir? That's crazy. Wladamir has the best jab in heavyweight boxing right now. A strong jab on a heavyweight is a destructive tool.

 

You just tripped up there. You state that Valuev is the worst belt holder ever, then what does that say about the heavyweight division as a whole? Only 2 men have managed to beat him. What does that say about Vitali and Wlad's opponents as well? Truth is, all three of these giants have been beating up on pretty average fighters, lets be honest. There has been no one around the past 4 years or so who have really tested them.

Vitali is not actually that much more skilled than Valuev, BUT before you shoot me down for saying that, he knows how to use his size to his advantage, same with his brother. They are athletic and well conditioned I'll give them that, but look at Vitali in last fight, he was made to miss and look stupid a hell of a lot by Kevin Johnson, who we know put on a survival masterclass, but he had countering opportunities the whole fight, but had no courage to try and hurt Vitali. Haye has far better movement and speed than KJ, and if he makes Vitali miss, be sure that he will fire down heavy counters that will find its target. Vitali is not a defensive master as some seem to think. The guy is a warrior and will bring it, but he's not hard to find, provided you have a game plan, and some skills, speed and power.

Haye has these attributes and is a skillful counter puncher. He won't jump in head first, but he wont just slip and slide and be afraid to throw shots either. I think with a balanced game plan, lots of movement, drawing Vitali to over commit and make mistakes, will give Haye many open windows of opportunity. What he cant afford to do is get reckless, stand and trade, cos with Vitali's size and natural strength, he will come out better off.

In my opinion though, Haye beats Vitali, maybe cuts him, forcing a stoppage, or this may ruffle a few feathers, a TKO by round 10.

 

first off valuev was carefully matched up against his opposition also has had plenty of at best questiionable wins against poor fighters.. Hell holyfield got the best of him at what 45 46 years old?.. You really think Valuev is almost as talented as Vitaly atsch They are light years apart in every way Speed, Skills and Power....and yes vitaly is a good defensive fighter.. And by the way Haye avoided a fight with Johnson and went with barrett instead,. Johnson is a better boxer then haye and is fundamentaly sound he has no power and obviously no balls but he is a good boxer... He fought to survive fights like that will make you look bad.

Haye is no defensive wizard look at the mock, barrett, thompson, fragmoni, and Mormeck fights he is there to be hit and has been hit and hurt a lot. And vitaly is not hard to find really? you should watch some more of his fights or better yet ask arreola and peter how easy he is to hit clean. David haye outright ran forom a slow lumbering Valuev he wont be able to do the same against a faster technically sounder heavyweight.

Also again david Hayes power at heavyweight so far is not proven in the slightest his only two Ko's were of Bonin who was already knocked out by Fraudly and Barrett who was already ko'd by wlad Couser and Valuev. All he has done of note so far was stink out the joint against valuev.

I think david Haye knows he is out of his league.. hell he has already ran from two fights against them so he must not be nearly as confident in his win as you are.


Also maybe you should start a poll to see where Valuev rates amongst beltholders the only people who would vote that he isnt are the people trying to play up hayes win over him as something special.

 

i think the haymaker can beat them both, if not vitali atleast wald.haye has the right style to bob and weave to the inside with the jab pumping, working that body to the dome.

i think haye can beat one of the bros, hell i think chambers will beat wald.those are some great boxers, im realy liking how chambers fights.his last fight was great.

 

Oh man are you for real?? KJ a better boxer than Haye??? what do you base that on? What has he achieved in his career? Haye was undisputed champion at Cruiser, and has just won a version of the heavyweight title, coming up from a lower weight division. Don't try and bump up Vitali's stock by claming that KJ was a test. He was poor, he can slip and slide but he wasn't particularly quick, yet Vitali still had trouble. I suggest yoU watch that fight again and see how many chances KJ had to counter, Vitali who lunged in at times and was off balance. Do that against Haye and he will be tasting his own blood.

Secondly you say Haye's power is unproven at heavyweight? Is that so? so why is he the only guy who put Valuev on ***** street in the 12th round?? and that with his left hand. Anyone who question's haye's power at heavyweight clearly do not realize how hard Haye can hit. That left that ROCKED Valuev would have put ANY heavyweight down.

And again, no Vitali does not have a world class defense. His defense is his size and ability to keep smaller fighters with no head and feet movement on the end of his jab. But he has a tendency to be wild, as we saw against Lewis, and again with Johnson, he will sometimes press forward with little coordination.

Some people will have you believe he is superman, but thats only because he's fought nobodies since Lewis and that lack of fighting quality opponents may be his undoing against a puncher/boxer like Haye.

Please don't talk about Arreola and Peter as good wins for Vitali who probably have a combined weight equivalent of the Earth's mass and can eat Macdonalds out of business ten times over! and still have room for donuts! They are slow, fat, out of shape, no head movement, little skill. Granted, Arreola could do something at heavyweight if cut about 30lbs, but in his current form, he's too slow.

Haye has a great shot against Vitali and maybe even his brother.

 

You clearly are under rating Vitali's countering & defensive skills & widely over rating Haye's. Both Gomez & Johnson are much better boxers than Haye & Vitali had little problem landing on either of them.

 

Yes, even though you were commenting on someone else's post, I do think Kevin Johnson is a better boxer than Haye is. His defense is much better, it's not even close. :deal

 

First off tell me why Haye ended up ducking johnson after they agreed on a fight.. He was too much of a risk.

Vitaly lunged because KJ has no power.

OK so Lennox lewis couldnt get vitaly off his feet but Haye is going to steamroll him with his power

Really Valuev was on ***** street did i miss something valeuv never even was off his feet? He was buzzed recovered quickly and they continued the same crappy dance they were in the whole night. and again thats how you gauge his power is he buzzed a fighter not ko'd him but buzzed him? Hell walker Buzzed arreola and what happened Arreola Ko'd him. And Chop Chop Buzzed Floyd and cotto Man corely has amazing power its proven right.......

And vitaly doesnt have head movement please.. watch the Arreola Peters or Gomez Sanders fight and tell me he doesnt have head movement. Tye ****ing fields is big where is his defence.. tall doesnt mean you have a good defence:deal

I already went over this whole undisputed bulshitt he never fought Adameck or Cunningham never held all the titles so he never was without dispute at Cruiser.. and he beat Valuev big deal Valuev had already lost prior was a very poor champ and never even won his belt back in the ring insted had to rely on polatricks to get his belt back he avoided the rematch with chagaev. and he was schooled by an ancient Holyfield his prior fight and look what good that did when chagaev met Klitschko a whole other class of fighter and if you cant see that you need to get thicker glasses. Also why did Valuev refuse to fight wlad last summer?

And yes Kevin johnson is a better boxer then Haye.. Haye has no defence of which to speak ( unless you count turning your back and outright running from feather fisted Valuev) haye throws wide punches and doesnt have very good footwork.. His saving grace at cruiser was his power. KJ has a good jab footwork and defence and no power of which to speak of kinda like cory Spinks so yeas KJ is a better boxer.

Speaking of fighting nobodies what is Hayes greatest win again?

Sam Peter and Chris Arreola are better then anyone Haye has defeated in his career. You know you defending Valuev then calling Arreola and Peter slow is just stupid they are lightyears faster then valuev and both have a hell of a lot more power then him. Gomez and johnson are both better boxers then haye as well hell gomez defended the wbc strap 10 times at cruiser before moving up to heavyweight undefeated with 30 ko's in 35 fights. care to guess how many defences Haye has had?

Haye knows his shott isnt great hence why he has already ducked both brothers he is looking to cash out plain and simple and wants to build his name get beat and retire.

 

if corrie sanders can knock out wlad and chris byrd can make vitali quit, haye can stop both of them.

 

And if a simple operation can remove your *****... then surely you must be a woman?

 

If Carl Thompson can stop David Haye, then surely either Klit would murder him.

What you said is just plain wrong anyway. Sanders had wicked offensive skills, he was just a lazy *******. Watch some Youtube clips of the Sniper. He was bigger than Haye, had faster hands, was more powerful, and a Southpaw to boot.

 

7+ years ago....keep reaching hater!

 

It just takes one good shot on Wlad's jaw, and this shite is over. Haye's left hand in the last round against Valuev, would of KO Wlad.

 

would've, should've, could've....

Fact is, Haye ran like a *****....from Wlad, and all night against Valuev.

 

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