Elite Light Heavyweights

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by samsuska, Jan 5, 2010.


  1. samsuska

    samsuska New Member Full Member

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    So I assume that you believe Johnson and Tarver are of the 3rd tier. In my rating of elite, world class and above average I generally include most titlists in the world class level and contenders at the above average level. I believe Tarver gives a lot of guys problems, though Tarver never had great composure, the 'IT' factor that makes guys elite; so I put Tarver in the world class. As for Johnson he is clearly not elite just like Tarver is not elite. However, I think Glen really outmatches the guys at the above average level and that makes him a borderline world class level guy or 2nd tier on my 3 level rating system. Thanks for the conversation and as far as Saad I am so entertained by him, but he was clearly a world class level guy. He had too many lapses and was too hitable to operate at the elite level.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    I dunno. As hittable as he was he was super resilient, or of the best thrower of uppercuts of all time and had a demonic right hand.

    Only JUST outside IMO and not many others would disagree. Arguably the best from one if the best eras the division has ever seen.

    Also, whatdo yourhink of the theory that Bob Foster was terrified of being hit? There is video evidence to back this up. What about Fosters comp?

    John Conteh at his best would compete with any of the Elites you mentioned.
     
  3. TommyV

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    Hey Sam, are you the guy that sparred with Jones Jr before the Trinidad fight?
     
  4. samsuska

    samsuska New Member Full Member

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    I agree that Saad is just below elite level. As for Bob I think his style, which was awkward but relaxed, made him appear to be terrified. Bob always seemed to hold his composure at LH when being hit and was very comfortable and relaxed. But at heavyweight, where he just couldn't match up with the top guys, he was clearly not comfortable with the punishment. Bob Foster's style just could not suceed at the world or elite level of heavyweights. John Conteh I have not seen enough of but he has a good resume, and I need to break down his film and study him. As for Foster's comp I believe Tiger was the best guy he ever faced, and the rest were above average guys, but I still feel very confident that he could perform at the same level against other elite fighters. I am not one to get swept away by physical gifts at all, but man did he have thunder in his fists, both of them at that.
     
  5. samsuska

    samsuska New Member Full Member

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    Yeah I am thanks for remembering, I forgot I even talked about that here. I was also his #2 sparring for the Calzaghe fight, and was invited back for his last few fights but due to various reasons ($) I did not work with him.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    I even think he looked startled when under pressure at 175. As you say, anyone who tried to sustain that pressure would be met with his fists: for my money the hardest hitting light heavy ever, though Spinks and Moore I wouldn't disagree with.

    You're my new favourite poster :lol: I love the light heavys :good
     
  7. TommyV

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    Good to see you back. :good
     
  8. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For one punch shot Foster hit harder than Spinks or Moore. No doubt about that. And im a huge Spinks guy.
     
  9. samsuska

    samsuska New Member Full Member

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    I have studied Spinks as well, and though I see some weaker areas I feel that he was so good at controlling range and sticking to his game plan that I can't really pick anyone in a H2H match up to beat him. Spinks was so awkward yet such a fine ring general with great discipline that I cannot confidently pick anyone to beat him. Spinks threw 2 or 3 different types of right hands with great effectiveness and this enabled him to superbly control the distance. In short, I am impressed by his style which enable him to execute his skills that highlighted his physical gifts.
     
  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree i dont pick any of the other LH to beat Spinks in a H2H matchup, for the exception of maybe Charles. But i do think Foster was the hardest hitting LH ever hands down.
     
  11. Addie

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    I think Foster certainly had more one punch power than Spinks did, who actually got a lot of his stoppages through accumulation, as opposed to Foster, who got the job done with one shot more often than not.
     
  12. The Morlocks

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    Saad was great and I'd throw in Galindez too. Like him or hate him, he defeated a lot of prime ltheavies by turning it on at the end and getting the decision. And of course the oldtime greLoughran and Delany and Burlenbach:rasta
     
  13. The Morlocks

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    I was there. and Franklin/Saad was superexciting and seemed to have a will made of stone. He never gave up and he never quit. His power could get you at anytime and his chin held out. The fight I saw of him that I like best though is the great one w' Dynamite Douglas under the Duran-Viruet fight in 77. They beat the **** out of each other and Saad was awarded the fight.:hat
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Good enough point.

    Archie Moore was a savage puncher too.

    However, there's one word for Fosters power.............Chilling.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad was at least a level or two above guys like Tarver and Johnson.