How do you call a guy who turns down the biggest payday of his career...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by freethinker, Jan 7, 2010.


  1. Cocteau

    Cocteau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I love it when people says something like "Pac refused blood testing", maybe they're misinformed or just flat out bias. Idiot is also an option.

    Facts:
    - Manny agreed to be blood tested
    - Manny is ok with "Unlimited" urine test
    - Manny is ok with blood+urine right after the fight
    - Olympic scientists / USADA said all types of PEDs can be detected in urine too
    - His phobia on blood / needles is legitimate, as proved by the discovered pre-Morales II video interview.
    - Scientists (more expert than us posters) in the mediation guaranteed floyd that he's protected, that manny's new parameters for testing is enough to detect if one of them is on PEDs.

    Floyd didn't even bargain to 15 days or 3 days (from 24, that's why it's called negotiaion). He flat out say NO FIGHT when called.
     


  2. This is a private contract between two parties. If one party asks for drug tests then thats what it is. Boxing commissions have nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with previous fights. The basis for it is Floyd. If he asks for that clause in the contract, thats the basis. Everything else is irrelevant. Manny's refusal to take the random blood tests is extremely suspicious. He stands to make 40 million dollars and boxing history. He would be viewed by all as the pound for pound best in the world, maybe the best ever but he refuses to take the tests. It doesnt make sense. He's hiding something. What a disappointment that man is. I know filipinos everywhere are disappointed. They may not say it, but we all know whats going on.
     
  3. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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  4. I think you meant to say his phobia of women.
     
  5. The_Mediator

    The_Mediator Member Full Member

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    I think Pacman is a great boxer as is Mayweather but in this particular instance, though Mayweather didn't help matters, Pac's the more responsible for the fight being off.

    I mean if Mayweather had a superstition about giving urine for analysis close to a fight, does that mean he can insist on not giving it?

    If random blood testing were standard testing, will Pac not be a boxer? Or if random blood testing becomes standard testing in the next 6 months, will Pac stop boxing? Because it is standard in athletics, swimming and cycling, on and off season.

    Usain Bolt is the most tested athlete(including multiple(up to 6 blood test in competition) within two weeks) but he still holds the world records.

    The request that both be Olympic drug tested is unorthodox(as is a $10million fine) but if that's what get's the fight made, then it's not unfair.

    Warriors have to overcome superstitions,fears and disadvantages to become the heroes we all love.

    In a fight, boxers may lose more blood than what is required in a test. The reason for Pac's refusal can be proven not to be scientifically valid.

    You are not weakened to any extent by blood you give during testing. It is not about the fluid or the amount of it he is losing, it is about the superstition Pac has. I could replace the urine with saliva and still have a superstition involving that. It is not natural to urinate or spit into a bottle, is it?

    As boxing fans we all want the fight to come on, regardless of who we back to win.

    In my opinion Pac has to step up.


    That said I believe the defamation case should still be carried out to it's logical conclusion, if Pac has the time and resources to spare. It is very separate from the fight.
     
  6. Spitfire7

    Spitfire7 Gadfly Full Member

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    One gotta love how Westerners think: it's all about the Benjamins.

    Didn't it occur to you that Pac's a lowly Philo and may not be culturally inclined to think your thoughts? I mean, in his native Phils., he and his offspring to the 5th generation is set for life. For once, materialistic brats, think outside the box (never mind if there's no more live brain cells left in you for that mental exercise, you're excused ;) ).

    On the other hand, there's May. Floyd and his hordes are on record to that life philosophy of greed and green.

    Why can't he just drop his unprecedented and outlandish demands for 40++ f'n million doollaars for an "easy night's work," eh? :huh:hey
     
  7. Manny's attitude says it all. He might as well come out and say he's on drugs. In my opinion, he's guilty. In my opinion of course.
     
  8. Dojo

    Dojo The Animal Full Member

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    As I stated your opinion doesn't mean ****, he's passed the same tests every other fighter has passed. You think Michael Spinks was on roids? He came up in weight, did well. He must be. He didn't do Olympic style tests.
     
  9. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    reality
     
  10. dilayro

    dilayro Active Member Full Member

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    post correctly you idiot.

    Manny agreed to blood testing and that includes one immediately after the fight. He is oppose to random blood testing which could happen on fight day since its random.

    Pac doesn't like getting blood drawn close to a fight because he thinks it weakens him and affects his performance. It's weird but some people don't like and someone will attest to it.

    It is not an excuse. He had a history of not liking it. In Pac vs Morales 1, Manny gave an interview wherein he stated one excuse that affects his performance was the blood taking 2 days before the fight. He feels that it weakens his punching power because of it even Morales attested after the fight that he didn't feel Manny's punches.

    Floyd did his research and was able to devise a plan to gain a clever advantage of asking for a demand that will weaken his opponent mentally and physically. Floyd is entitled to that tactic the same way Manny is entitled to fight in his best optimum form hence objecting to random blood testing.

    Manny conceded to blood testing but it has to be in his term. How can you fault a guy when he wants to fight in his best possible condition so he can deliver the fight the fans are expecting from him.

    Floyd makes the fight difficult to happen by clinging to random testing thinking Manny is cheating when there is no proof to it and no history to back it up.

    As a conclusion, Floyd is simply dishing out stupid shenanigans to get out of the fight because he doesn't think he can beat Pacquiao in commonly contested fight. He can only defeat Pacquiao if manny is blood drawn. What a terrible excuse to avoid a $40M payday.
     
  11. freethinker

    freethinker Member Full Member

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    Take Pacquiao's dick out of your mouth.
     
  12. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Dont you mean EXCESSIVE blood testing?
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    40 million US dollars would go a long way in the Phillapinnes.
     
  14. As an ex Pacquiao fan i think my opinion does matter. Each and every fighter owes his fans something. They owe it to themselves. They owe to the sport that gave them so much. This type of fight is extremely rare. For it not to take place because Pacquiao is scared of needles is bull****... much like your comments. Swallow the cum in your mouth before replying, ******.
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    No I mean random testing. Pac wants to know when the test are coming so he can cycle on and off. ****ing ridiculous dictating when a drug test can be performed it defeats the whole purpose.:deal