Why isn't anyone bringing up the time Ali was calling Frazier ignorant on Cossell's show, and Frazier stood up and approached Ali, at which point Ali stood up and they wrestled each other to the floor? I think the incident occurred shortly before their second fight.
With regards to Ali calling him a uncle tom, I remember hearing/reading that Frazier never understood the implications of the insult at the time, ("I thought he was calling me a peeping tom"). When you consider Ali and Frazier's upbringing and even the colour of their skin I think comments like this deserve to blight Ali's reputation a little more. For all his undeniable genius with his fists he has a lot of stains against his gleaming, mythologized public image.
I doubt it. James Toney has an even bigger mouth than Ali did and aside from a minor scuffle with fellow trash talker Hasim Rahman has never been punched out . The truth is most trash talk is just that...talk.Fighters may act all agitated at press confrences yet come fight time they're invariably cool,calm and collected which shows that most of that stuff is just hyperbole and not taken to heart. Frazier-Ali is a bit different as Ali insulted Joe on a physical,racial and personal level.As Joe said "How can I be a gorilla when I've got beautiful children of my own" and it hurt even more when his children copped gorilla taunts of their own at school.The fact large sections of the media and public bought into it and laughed it up at Joe's expense must still rankle as well (seeing Ferdie Pacheco trot this same **** out on the recent Manilla doco shows how this mentality permeated Ali's camp) I love Ali but Joe was a decent man and deserved much,much better than this ****.
In general i agree with you, but Joe Frazier strikes me as one of the last guys you'd want to get in a street fight with. He just has that innate grit, determination, and persistance that says "do what you like to me but i'm not going to stop until i put a hole in your ****ing face"
i agree with you about frazier being a throwback to the gentlemen fighter... but ali was not and the disrespect he showed frazier was a lot worse then so called thug fighters you mentioned.... why should treat him like a gentlemen he is calling him a walking ape and a race trader etc....much worse then guys zab calling someone a ***** hahaha etc point is you talk about where it's proper to hit people etc....this does not apply to ali and how he treated frazier point is he deserved to get punched out and i have no doubts frazier could have done it easily..... point is fazier's style better for brawls, he had a much rougher life and actually came up the hard way unlike ali who came from a nice middle class peaceful childhood........ point is ali took advantage of all these gentlemen fighters, maybe if these guys acted like the modern "thugs" ali would not have such an easy time tormenting people....
You wouldn't see Frazier stabbing his wife with a fork and kiidnapping his own children. Bowe proved how time and time again how mentally frail he was stabbing his wife, throwing belts in garbage, lasting 1 week in the marines etc etc etc Chicken Bowe
i dont what does a scrap at a press conference have to do with being mentally frail lol his personal problems are something else, its just that with some peope you cant get away with running your mouth but then again in your a real tough men lets the other treat him like a *****....and proves his manhood by doing nothing about it....right?
This post was the official version. The inofficial version is: Frazier was bound to the script. Tah-dah
haha maybe its not about being older or younger but knowing that a man should stand up for himself....and not let someone treat you like a *****.... it doesnt matter if your 13 or 45.... maybe being a man is something you dont really understand....... i like this new wave thinking.....let the other guy insult you, even slap in the face but since you dont do anything about it....it proves your the bigger more mature man hahahahaha