Brit ESB Forum all-time British middleweight list?

It's a funny thing.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRec_Ratings_Description

The idea is that you rack up points by beating opponents, if you have ten fights in a year you can score quickly, especially if the opponents are at or around your level.

Say if a couple of journeymen on decent winning runs face Frankie Gavin and George Groves next time out and lose, their drop won't be as much as other fighters, and conversely the points gained by the winning fighter will be higher than if they face guys on a run of stoppage losses.

The main problem, for me, is that it awards more points for a KO win than a points win, and also the points wins are calculated using the mean scores...... so if you hammer someone with a rock solid beard for 12 rounds and win 118-110 x 3, you get less credit than KO'ing a fighter that might have been beating you only to run out of gas.

Throw in a Williams/Martinez kind of dodgy scorecard as well.....

I think in general the ratings are pretty good, though there are obvious anomalies such as Holyfield being #5 at HW and DLH being #2 at WW.

 

Here we go:

1. Randy Turpin
2. Alan Minter
3. Terry Downes
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Gardner
6. Nigel Benn
7. Chris Eubank
8. Herol Graham
9. Tony Sibson
10. Michael Watson

Benn/Eubank - I agree with Gaz about Benn having much better form at the weight so Benn > Eubank.

Watson is at 10 ahead of Pyatt as he has a win over Benn and gave Eubank a really tough fight at MW.

 

Eubank has Benn and Watson, and not much else at the weight But he did remain undefeated at the weight and I would rate his wins over Benn and Watson as on a par with Benn's wins over DeWitt, Barkley and Sims. But thats just my opinion :good

However, I am thinking I have been harsh on Benn when I think about it - he should be rated over Watson (who I have at 10). Time to change! (don't worry, I will edit my original post ).

 

McAvoy was pretty much the man in a deep domestic division though.

Sibson was a ruler at Euro level which IMO equates to a alphabet title thesedays.

Both IMO lack quality defences and lost when they stepped up. (except 1 fight with Turpin)

Same here

Im redoing mine

 

Well Turpin just got it because Robinson>Antuofermo x 2



I prefer Minter but I can't justify him over Turpin. I think the top part of the list is the easy part so the bottom bit

Downes
Graham
Benn
Eubank
Harvey
McAvoy
Watson
Gilroy
Sibson
Pyatt

 

Leave Fitzy alone. He lacks the defences but many of the fights could have been title defences but are not confirmed.

Fitz cant be ranked top IMO. Win over Dempsy is massive.

 

Yep, Fitz only has NP Dempsey at the weight but that's such a great you've got to rank him high.

Same with George Gardner, he has a win over Barbados Joe Walcott.

 

Well turpin only really has Ray Robinson.

 

And some decent Euro opposition, he beat a guy who was ranked no.2 by the Ring as I posted earlier.

 

He did but fell short at world level in Olssen and Robinson rematch off the top of my head


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