Monzon vs. Pavlik

I know that neither Mundine or Tonna were taller than Monzon, but they were not towered over either as were Napoles, Gritffith, Briscoe or Valdez...

 

I think Mozon would win. Having said that, Monzon never really face a big middle with a lot of power, did he?

 

Monzon with ease. I see Pavlik as a nothing more than stepping stone in the very near future. He's looked awful from the beginning

 

It takes away some of Monzon's physical advantages, but I'd take his superior timing and skills to win the fight.

 

The size difference between Pavlik and Monzon is obscene. Carlos weighed in at 158-160 on the day of his fights. Pavlik weighs anywhere from 168-172 at fight time. Monzon was 5' 11". Pavlik is 6' 3".

Under todays rules Monzon would fight at 154, and might even make 147. Under the old rules Pavlik would have been an average sized LHW, a division Monzon never touched.

Pavlik became middleweight champ at age 25, and is only the 4th man in history to win the true middleweight crown while still undefeated. At age 25 Monzon had 3 losses to no-hopers, and hadn't even sniffed a world title. Monzon fought until age 35. Pavlik is 27 at present.

Monzon's fights routinely lasted past 10 rounds. Pavlik has never had a fight at 160 go past 9 rounds. At the end of the day Monzon had a 59% KO ratio. Pavlik's current KO ratio stands at 86.5%, and that includes at least 7 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Right now Pavlik bashing is quite popular, and he automatically loses every fantasy match-up to anyone from Grady Brewer up. We really ought to give the kid a chance to have a career, instead of the ridiculous hate and under-rating based on the fact that he had a bad year. The kid had the worst year of his life, and still made two title defenses against ranked contenders.

Compared to guys like Pavlik, Taylor, Miranda, et, Monzon makes a very small middleweight, and history says Pavlik eats small middleweghts like a little kid eating Skittles. Posters who claim Monzon would stop Pavlik are out of their ****ing minds.

 

It's really hard to make comparisons between late era and modern era fighters. There are so many differing degrees in the climate of the sport from then to now.

However, I still stand by Monzon edging him out. Perhaps with Pavlik taking first half of the fight and Monzon in the second half. Pavlik is a gutsy fighter who's hit a bad luck streak. People are harping on him, and we'll have that. I mean, he really should have taken better care of that hand. Anyways, what happened...happened and there's nothing an of us can do but wait out time and hope Pavilk regains his composure. He's still the leading middleweight king and I'd love to see him get back to a true reign.

 

You really have no idea what you're talking about here, Boo. Monzon had to drain to make the weight, the fact that he came in to the fight at the scheduled fight weight has nothing to do with his natural size, but the fact that in his time they used same day weigh-ins as opposed to the 24 hour weigh-ins they use today. He was a huge MW, saying he could've made 154 or 147 is lunacy and shows a real lack of knowledge about the man.

Again, this is completely irrelevant. Monzon was not brought up in nearly the same way as Pavlik was. He started fighting from a young age in Argentina, gaining his craft through experience in the ring against the top fighters the country had to offer. All of his losses came within his first 2 years and 20 fights in the ring, all against men he'd come back to beat in rematches once he'd started to really hone his game. He wasn't brought up against third rate opposition in order to pad his record and make him look good. Boxing was more or less a hobby for him until he realized how much potential he had, which became apparent when he started tearing through the best of what Argentina had to offer (many of whom were rated contenders and top MW's of the era). It was at that stage that he finally got a title shot against the Middleweight champion Nino Benvenuti, and the rest if history.

Again, what relevance does this have? You could say the same about Pavlik in comparison to B-Hop, and we all know how that ended up. Monzon was one of the best 15 round fighters of all time, and he proved it against a far superior crop to the one Pavlik's been facing. KO ratio's are useless.

So we're underrating him by saying he would lose to the best MW of all time when he's already been schooled by the best MW of this era?

Monzon makes a very small Middleweight in comparison to noone, particularly Miranda. I don't understand the point in bringing him up, given Monzon's known height advantage and similar reach, which he utilized to a much greater degree than a sloppy brawler like Miranda. Pavlik and Taylor were taller, neither had a reach advantage, and neither had any of the intangibles or ring generalship that Monzon posessed. Boxing is a game of skill, a few inches or pounds this way or that way isn't going to mean much when the gulf in class is as great as it is in regards to Monzon vs the current MW crop.

 

Mundine was a lot more skilled than Pavlik, if nothing else.