Floyd is to Blame!

bkamins · Jan 11, 2010

Rudyard said: ↑

I think I've been quite vocal about this...I for one dont think he's doping...I've said it since day one.

Cant speak for anybody else but this really doesnt have anything to do with Manny because I've come to the conclusion that its the snake Arum who robbed us...I'm pretty sure Manny would have accepted that 14 day offer as the last demand made by the mediator, but its Arum that cant be trusted...IMO Manny is being promoted by a snake IMO...I know that Floyd is no angel but I seriously dont see how he's at fault here...HONESLTY, I Dont.

I know I've came down hard on you at first not knowing you had some logic behind your post...More of me thinking you're a bias Pacman fan that really doesnt have any reason behind your logic...As a man, I extend my apoligies for the little fiasco we had earlier...Gotta understand that I'm a fan of Mayweather( a fair and logical fan...not a nuthugger) and try to talk sense with fans...so I did go off the deep end a little bit!

Not a problem. Funny thing is I'm not really a Pac fan. I mean, I've never posted a thread dealing with him before. And I was quite insulting earlier, as well, so for that I apologize.

Take care.
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Rudyard · Jan 11, 2010

Steak said: ↑

Roach not Pac - big difference.
Like your friend saying you could do beat Kobe 1on1 - not u.
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Sr. made the steroids accusations not Jr, so do that eliminate Jr. from being any different? I mean according to your logic...Jr, shouldnt be associated with his dad right?

I mean I'm only using your logic to this matter! It came straight from your post!:good

Wige247 · Jan 11, 2010

bkamins said: ↑

You're missing the point. It's possible that any and every fight out there takes some kind of illegal substance. But what gives Floyd the right to make these ridiculous demands. He has said in several interviews that he thinks Manny is on something? Where's is proof? Sorry, but adults don't have the right to make questionable, slanderous statements with impunity. The guy just needs to grow up. atsch
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So blood tests to ensure someone is not using PED are out of the question until they test positive for PEDs?

LukeO · Jan 11, 2010

Wige247 said: ↑

So blood tests to ensure someone is not using PED are out of the question until they test positive for PEDs?
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No, so get on every boxer who hasn't taken blood tests.
Why single out manny?

badger6 · Jan 11, 2010

LukeO said: ↑

No, so get on every boxer who hasn't taken blood tests.
Why single out manny?
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Well not only that, the fact that Pac agreed to take random urine tests, a press conference blood test, a 24 day blood test, and a post fight blood test. No one has yet told me what kind of substance that Pac could take in a 3 week window that would get by a random urine test and a post fight blood test. Keep in mind that we're talking about a 3 week cycle. WTF good is that gonna do ???

sdsfinest22 · Jan 11, 2010

los507 said: ↑

i think floyds intentions for demanding random blood tests are not because he truly believes pac is on peds, but instead because he knew that pac had issues with taking blood before a fight. He knew that if pac agreed to the random tests that he would have a mental advantage going into the fight, because pac stated publicly (back in 2005 after he lost to morales), that he felt dizzy, headaches, and was weakened after giving blood two days before the fight (though this most likely is all a mental thing for pac). So, by demanding these random blood tests floyd puts himself in a win/win situation.

If pac doesnt agree to the random blood tests, then he looks like hes hiding something.
If pac does agree to the random blood tests, then floyd has a mental advantage going into the fight.

I think floyd expected the latter situation, and never really thought pac would deny the tests and subject himself to such scrutiny or skepticism from his fans.

Floyd was just trying to gain the advantage going into the fight, since he couldnt do it other ways like weight, ring size, etc.

Floyd has stated in the past that the fight doesnt begin when the bell rings, it begins with the negotiations. (it was a good attempt, but it kind of backfired)
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and 14 days would have allowed him to clear those issues up..on top of that floyd's story stayed the same during negotiations while mannie's changed 4 times...

"not only do i wanna fight manny pacquiao, i wanna whip his punk ass"

if that statement don't make u believe than nothing will...i mean what more proof do u want that he wanna fight pac beyond him coming out on espn and saying it...floyd could be in the ring bashing mannie's head in and you would still say he is scared...ur argument is only based off ur hatred for floyd..not anything factual

sdsfinest22 · Jan 11, 2010

Rudyard said: ↑

We can look at it from a flip side! Manny what Manny has asked for has never been done before as well, so why no??? So IMO I wouldnt just put to much emphasis on that because Judah asked for it against Mosley so olypic styles test have been done before....

I understand you're sticking up for you guy and all but we can talk about who's right and who's wrong all day but at the end of the day...US FANS was ****ing robbed!...As you've stated, Manny is pissed at the Mayweather so IMO why not kill 2 birds with one stone...Pass the test to show the world you're clean and beat the living **** out of Floyd for starting this. Wouldnt you agree with that? Sometimes you gotta swallow your pride to get what you want..Not in all cases but some

Floyd tried to compromise with a 14 day cut off ( a 19 day cutoff would have been perfect given that its kinda in the middle of 14 & 24)

To be totally honest with...I'm not really believeing that Floyd nor Manny had anything to do with it..They both wanted the fight IMO but its the PUNK ASS Arum that robbed us of this fight...He's made false statement which later came to light.
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CANT ARGUE WITH PACQUIAO FANS...THEY IGNORE FACTS AND DONT USE LOGIC RUDY....

Just gotta accept that they won't get it..they dont realize how many holes manny has in his arguments and stories...

Boom_Boom · Jan 11, 2010

bkamins said: ↑

Although I am an American and a Floyd fan, I think it's plain to see that Floyd is responsible for the richest fight in history going the way of the Titanic. First off, let's get one thing straight....Manny Pac has never failed a test for steroids or illegal substances in the past decade. No matter what some people might imply, there is no reason at all to suspect him of cheating and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a leg to stand on.

From the outset, it was clear that Floyd wanted to destroy Manny in the press, but he went too far. He demanded Olympic style blood tests that he had absolutely no right or authority to request. In fact, I can't remember the last time a fighter made such a ridiculous request. Sure, boxers often argue over glove size, ring size, even who enters first.

But it is as clear what the implication was when Floyd demanded these tests...He was essentially accussing Manny of being a cheater in the press. I'm not sure what Pretty Boy expected Manny to do? As a proud fighter, what did he expect?

In my humble opinion, he intentionally scuttled this fight because he doesn't want any part of Manny...at least not now.
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Great quality factual post, props to you.

SuperFloyd100 · Jan 11, 2010

bkamins said: ↑

Although I am an American and a Floyd fan, I think it's plain to see that Floyd is responsible for the richest fight in history going the way of the Titanic. First off, let's get one thing straight....Manny Pac has never failed a test for steroids or illegal substances in the past decade. No matter what some people might imply, there is no reason at all to suspect him of cheating and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a leg to stand on.

From the outset, it was clear that Floyd wanted to destroy Manny in the press, but he went too far. He demanded Olympic style blood tests that he had absolutely no right or authority to request. In fact, I can't remember the last time a fighter made such a ridiculous request. Sure, boxers often argue over glove size, ring size, even who enters first.

But it is as clear what the implication was when Floyd demanded these tests...He was essentially accussing Manny of being a cheater in the press. I'm not sure what Pretty Boy expected Manny to do? As a proud fighter, what did he expect?

In my humble opinion, he intentionally scuttled this fight because he doesn't want any part of Manny...at least not now.
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You say "First off, let's get one thing straight....Manny Pac has never failed a test for steroids or illegal substances in the past decade.

ok true, why stop now and walk away from 30 million! he must be clean now right?

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