Would a Motivated In Shape Buster ?

Exactly,

So how do we rate a guy like Corrie Sanders? He had losses to Nate Tubbs and Hasim Rahman, which are basically on par with Douglas's early defeats to guys like David Bey, Jesse Ferguson, and Mike White. Overall Sanders retired with a reasonably good record of like 42-4-0-41, and had a huge win over Wlad... But, can we really label him as a potentially great fighter? I don't think so....

 

chuvalo wasnt 6'8 and fast at any point of his career, buster was.

he was still remarkable in his return bouts. knocked a guy out cold with a jab. alot but just too late.

early rounds agaisnt tucker where good.

 

Jim Douglas was not 6'8", and while he was certainly mobile at times, I wouldn't exactly describe him as being "fast." As for his KO power, I think most men have at least one fight in their careers where they stop a guy with one punch, but it doesn't necessarily reflect that they were consistantly hard hitters. We also have to consider that none of the fighters who Douglas faced in his comeback were world class, with the possible exception of Lou Savarese who ended his comeback in one round...

 

i was quoting the dude on the other page who was syaing it was all "if only's"

chuvalo wasnt 6'8 and wasnt fast
difference is that buster was in shape and motivated at points in his career

 

Yes but Douglas showed flashes of ability prior to the Tyson fight. He also didnt knock a guy out with a bumrush or suprise shot or beat a guy that had been previously beaten by a lower tiered guy.
He systematically took undisputed undefeated Tyson apart over the course of an entire fight, which showed a lot of ability on his part. He went through a lot in that fight before getting the knockout and Im not so sure there would be many contenders around that time that would have had the ability to do what Douglas did even against a diminished Tyson.
For that reason you gotta say there was something more there with Douglas, certainly more than Golota, who besides beating up on a shot Riddick Bowe, never showed the ability that Douglas had.

 

The Buster who beat tyson would have beaten most nowadays but we cant judge a guy solely on the one fight. Every dog has his day so to speak. IMO buster could have easily got up against Holyfield, and if he had shown the heart he showed against tyson then he would have beaten Tucker rather than just giving up when he was still well in the fight. People talk about Jack Johnson shielding his eyes as proof he lay down against Willard (bull**** by the way) and nobody mentions Douglas putting the back of his glove to his face and then checking for blood before putting his head back on the canvas to be counted out. Disgraceful way for a world champion to bow out IMO

 

Motivation and Douglas do not go together for very long...... B.D. was only motivated for a few fights throughout his entire career..... Douglas and laziness is more like it..........

Buster Douglas had skills and knew how to box, when in top form...... BUT! I always thought his chin was suspect....... B.D. didn't own a concrete jawbone........

MR.BILL

 

This. The performance has shamefully been tarnished by how much Tyson declined and wasn't the same rather than the magic that Buster was for that special night in Tokyo.

 

On that night Buster Douglas can upset many gave champions. I'd go as far as to say he might beat guys like Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey, Foreman, etc.

People just don't understand how pitch-perfect he was that night. He brought it all together. Fundamentally, skills, and ability was everything Douglas had and more.

Tokyo Douglas beats any form of Tyson. PERIOD... Tyson might have won only 1 round, and that's being generous. You don't just outclass Mr. Invincible and have it just some freak luck showing. Douglas is hard to evulate because his magic happened once, really. He certainly does far better than anyone else thinks if we pick this post-mourning Tokyo version of Douglas against the greats of the division. The hard point, is seeing how he does against certain styles. I see him being able to out-box and just beat up a lot of guys. Especially the shorter or technically flawed fighters.

Vitali would get embarrassed by Douglas. Wladimir would tire, gass, or just get too frustrated to win such a close context between a guy who just doesn't isn't afraid anymore and is willing to put it all on the line.

 

I totally agree. It's one of the best Heavyweight performances of all time. Even though he slips up and gets over-confident and gets caught, knocked down... it is still damn beautiful. To see him get up, and then work Tyson over in the next round.

That Douglas would beat a lot of fighters in a fantasy matchup. It would surprise people, no doubt. He was just that good. And his skills, fundamentals were all there. I'll do it... but it's scary because he's almost like a bigger, slightly slower and more stationary Ali. Except he had a whipping jab that was very hard and power and a great 1-2. He's an Ali that can knock you the eff out. Even McCall said Douglas was one of the hardest hitters he faced.

 

We must not forget that even a *****-whipped Tyson landed a wicked uppercut in round 8 and Douglas went down........ I thought B.D. was merely gonna pack-it-in there..... After all, Douglas BARELY beat the ref's long-ass count....... Tyson had power and Douglas' chin was suspect..... Tyson just wasn't there mentally for Douglas, while Douglas was fueled by his mother's recent death....... Tyson was a typical 220 pounds in Japan, so he was not a slob or hog coming into the bout....... Douglas was fine at 231 pounds...... Too bad he couldn't keep his eye of the tiger for Holy later in Vegas........

MR.BILL

 

No. He would beat some, and lose to others.

 

maybe the Tyson fight should be called Douglas's peak, the he could be given the unfounded adulation that Riddick Bowe gets for fighting 1 good fight.
There again between 89-90 Douglas fought and beat a former world champion a future world champion the the current world champion.
Bowe wouldnt do that he'd forfiet the belts rather than fight someone with a pulse.

 

It was just one night. He was never again that good. even 50% would be enough today, tokyo douglas had so many tools.