FIGHT Record vs FIGHT Record

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  1. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    funny how you dismiss pacs win over barrera yet when oscar beat chavez he was 34 and a 16 year pro. when hoya faced pernell, pernell was on a downslide losing 3 of his last 4 including oscar and yet was able to keep it close. vargas was a good win but you are overrating him a bit he is not better than marquez,morales or barrera. ike quartey was a god win.

    all in all oscar made his name from even older fighters than pac and some were very controversial. when pac beat cotto for his 7th title it was with dominance, when hoya did it against sturm it was controversial. not to even mention that oscar fought a lot of physically smaller fighters than him and although some of his big fights were controversial he happened to lose the big ones. when have we started rating fighters for almost winning.

    pac has a better resume because he started lower has had more defining wins and has showed dominance against hofs.
     
    artofwar, Jan 14, 2010
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  2. 4life

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    How convenient is it for you to point out that DLH should've won against trinidad, but left out the fact that he LOST to Sturm. Even DLH could'nt believe he won.

    When pac defeated barrera, barrera was prime. While JCC was nothing but a shell of his old self when they fought.

    The whitaker fight wasn't even convincing. A lot of people thought whitaker won that fight.

    Add to the fact that they Floyd/pac is not even done yet. They still have the chance at fighting later this year ( or in the near future ). Both could still fight mosley, which surely will beef up their resume. pac is fighting clottey next, a very good, top 5 WW.

    How about pacquaio beating JMM?? like it or not pac is 1-0-1 against him. You can make a case that JMM should've won both fight, but the fact remains that the first fight would have been a pacqauio win if not for one of the judge scoring it wrong. The second fight is officialy a W for pac.

    Pac >>>> DLH
     
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  3. papolamuerte

    papolamuerte Yo soy La Muerte! Full Member

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    I totally disagree with that part. But to each is own, cool...Im sure that Im not the only person that thinks Vargas was never the same after the Tito fight considering the fact that on his next fight versus Rivera, Rivera touched him with a light jab and Vargas fell to the floor like a bird shot down from the sky. Also keep in mind that the Oscar fight was all about Mexican pride and the fact that Vargas had been trying so long to get Oscar in the ring.
     
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  4. dilayro

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    this dude knows his ****...props man!
     
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  5. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Physically he was in his prime. Skill wise, perhaps and likely not. But he was indeed as fast and explosive as he is now. I dare you to dispute that.
     
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  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    It can be very well said that Cotto who has only because a champion off Vacant titles was as damaged if not more than Fernando Vargas who was the TRUE champion at 154.

    I truly do not hate Pac. What I dislike is what this site that I have posted in since 2002 has become with a bunch of ignorant people. Seriously, rating Pac top 10 or top 20 :rofl having to read **** like that over and over again gets annoying.

    For every 1 person like me, there are 10 *******s disrespecting fighters liek Trinidad, Cotto, Gomez, Chavez, Whitaker for the sake of upping Pac. You don't find that annoying??? As a TRUE boxing fan, I do.
     
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  7. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, it's crazy what's happened to ESB lately. It's always had nuthuggers, but now its one side Floyd and the other Pac, and both completely crazy. The weird thing is the true Pac fans that were there from the beginning are totally mellow and in the background, its the new ones that are like rabid racoons knocking over trashcans left and right.
     
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  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Funny, Chavez had never had his ASS kicked like the way Barrera had before he fought Pac.

    What Pac did to Barrera had more or less been done before, and Barrera had considerably slowed down.

    Barrera was a 14 year pro, but was less skilled and had been had more taken out of him based on the type of fights he had suffered.

    After the Morales I fight people said that he was never the same, and it become extremely noticeable in the Tapia and Kelly fights. If you only follow boxrec, you'll see Barrera won by KO against Kelly, but if you saw the fight, you'll see how sloppy, tenative, and much slower he had become.

    Chavez on the other hand even though he had more fights than Barrera had not gotten his ass kicked and had never endured the punishment Barrera had.

    Chavez was also the reigning WBC champion, had less losses than MAB, and is ranked way higher on the ATG lists.

    Chavez undoubtedly is a better win than MAB.

    Pernell whitaker was slowing down, but no one can deny that whitaker against DLH possesed the reflexes he once had for that fight.

    Whitaker was the true reigning WW champion when Oscar fought him. He was P4P #1 or #2. He was on his 12th consecutive defense of his title.

    Erik Morales wasn't even a champ. He had just lost to an aging Barrera, and had just lost to journeyman Zahir Raheem.

    Tell me how the **** Morales is a better win than Whiatker again??? And the only win in Morales' last six fight, THE ONLY win was against Pacquiao!!!! :patsch


    Vargas was a better win than what Cotto was for Pac, that is what I'm saying, nothing more nothing less.

    Vargas was the WBA champion, and was more proven than Cotto. Vargas was on steroids, was considerably bigger, stronger, and younger than Oscar, and was a much better boxer than Cotto in ever aspect.

    Vargas was a better win than Cotto.

    Yes, Ike Quartey was a better win than Larios, Solis, 3k battery, Velasquez, Lucero. All fighter Pac fought

    Age is not always an indicator to someone prime. As a self proclaimed boxing fan you should know this. Fighters age a different ages. Barrera and Morales were older fighters at 29 and 30. Their syle is what shortened their prime span.

    Chavez and Whitaer were superior defensive fighters to Barrera and Morales and is what kept them fresher.

    Funny, but it's Pac who's top 3 wins are against fighters on the down. ODLH, Morales, and Barrera.

    I don't even bring up the Sturm fight, because its highly contreversial, but I have to wonder how he would have faired if he had used PEDs.:think Anyway, as far as beating smaller men, Pac has been the bigger fight in many of his big wins, including the shot DLH :deal.

    Pac has a good resume, but you cannot change that it is inferior to DLHs'. DLH has beat the better fighters, has won more titles, has had more defenses, has beat more champions, and has had more title wins.
     
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  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    You can disagree, and I wasn't even arguing that Vargas was the same, all I'm saying is that Vargas was a better win than your beloved Cotto, who endured such a brutal ass kicking against Margarito, that he bowed down and submitted himself to Tony.

    Cotto WAS NOT the same fighter he was before Margarito.
     
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  10. Knives7

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    That's true. Although, IMO Pac won the first one and the second one was the draw.
     
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  11. Knives7

    Knives7 Boxing Addict banned

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl

    OLD MAN YOU'RE VERY FUNNY. You can ignore me all you want but the fact that Pacquiao was not in physical or skill prime is true!
     
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  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Fine, I'll give you some attention, *****. :good

    You're arguing about physical primes, I'm arguing accomplishments....STFU and try to debunk my posts, rather than to cling on a small, insignificant statement. :smooch
     
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  13. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    whitaker and chavez are atg compared to pacs comp. but when dealing with pacs resume you have to put it into context which is why i rate him higher than oscar. he won a title at 19 as a flyweight has gone through 10 weights and won a title at welterweight. he has 4 lineal titles and has had an armstrong-esque year. titles at 130-135-140-147 and has been dominant. his resume may never be repeated in 50 years.

    oscar has a good resume but pacs resume is historic.
     
    artofwar, Jan 14, 2010
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  14. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oscar De La Hoya lost to the five best fighters he fought.

    Pacquiao resume is based upon beating past prime fighter? HELLO WHITAKER AND CHAVEZ! The number of quite good fighters De la Hoya beat doesn't mean **** when he failed against almost all of his GREAT opponents.

    1. Pac
    2. Floyd
    3 De La Hoya

    De la Hoya's combined record against great fighters 3 - 6 ( 2 TKO wins, 1 TKO loss, 1 KO loss )

    Floyd Mayweather - 4 - 0 Castillo, De la Hoya, Corrales

    Manny Pac 6 - 1 - 1 !!! Cotto, Marquez, Morales, Barrera

    Now **** off :good
     
    ricardoparker93, Jan 14, 2010
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  15. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you are going to count Castillo and Corrales as great fighters then you have to give Oscar more credit. Guys like Quartey, Vargas, etc are as good as those guys. They get overrated on here because of the great fight they put up, they are good, not great fighters.
     
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