Your Top 10 All Time Heavyweight List

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Who do you rank as the top 10 heavyweights head-to-head?


    My own list--although admittedly I haven't given it much thought--is as follows. This is my first attempt to rate them, and I'm sure that I've missed a couple along the way:

    1) Fedor Emelianenko
    2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
    3) Mirko Crocop
    4) Mark Coleman
    5) Mark Kerr
    6) Randy Couture
    7) Bas Rutten
    8 ) Josh Barnett
    9) Igor Vovchanchyn
    10) Andrei Arlovski or (sadly) Tim Sylvia, boring though he is...although if you're talking all-time, I suspect that there's a pre-1980 fighter who could fill this spot (Jeffries, Bluming, Dolmen, etc.)
     
  2. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Hard to rate, since he declined rapidly with the drug abuse. In his prime, a rather scary opponent, and looked upon as a successor to Coleman. This is prime-for-prime, peak for peak.

    Nevertheless, you have a point: I might rate him a bit too highly.
     
  4. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1 and 2 are obvious.

    I would have to give 3-10 a serious think.
     
  5. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    no no, to each his own and all that...

    ricco rodriguez,monson,rizzo,maurice smith,heath herring...
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Quite so. :good

    Nevertheless, I'm interested to hear your arguments against Kerr's high ranking. That is, after all, part of the reason I created this thread in the first place: so that ESB's MMA section can hash out some criteria for rating H2H ability in past fighters.
     
  7. Cameron

    Cameron Active Member Full Member

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    here is my list

    1 fedor
    2 nog
    3 cro cop
    4 randy
    5 coleman
    6 bas
    7 igor
    8 josh
    9 ken
    10 AA
     
  8. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    Frank Mir could enter the top 10 soon if he adds some good wins. He is getting better
     
  9. sugarngold

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    1) Fedor Emelianenko
    2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
    3) Randy Couture
    4) Mirko Crocop
    5) Maurice Smith
    6) Mark Coleman
    7) Frank Mir
    8) Dan Severn
    9) Ken Shamrock
    10) Igor Vovchanchyn

    If Brock Lesnar returns to fighting full time - I expect to see him make his way onto this list.
     
  10. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    Call me crazy, but I'd add Tank Abbott to the list. Why? He is THE only street fighter in MMA history to go that far in the MMA world, competing for world titles. His battles with Severn and Frye were tremendous, stuff of legend. For just a wild swinging brawler, he went quite a ways in the sport. H2H in prime for prime scenario, he'd kick Kimbo Slice's ass 10 out of 10 times.
     
  11. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    1. Fedor
    2. Big Nog
    3. Couture
    4. Coleman
    5. Bas
    6. Cro Cop
    7. Barnett
    8. Igor
    9. Lesnar (what he has done in his few fights is more impressive than many did in their entire career so far. Especially considering his very limited experience. Definitely more impressive wins than Kerr had by a long shot, imo)
    10. Mir
     
  12. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    oky doky...

    one factor im basing it on is his record,he has losses to herring,monson,taktarov,fujita even **** fighters like al turk and up until his no contest with vovchanchyn there is not one noteworthy name...

    i rate his wrestling very highly but as for ranking him so high and above the likes of maurice smith (who pushed a youngish couture extremely close beat coleman,abbott etc) and bas rutten i cant see how,in fact i rate randleman higher than kerr because he has the better wins fought better competition and has competeted at the top for a longer period, randleman evolved into a much more complete fighter whereas kerr failed to do so,which brings me onto the second factor simple 'ability' now kerr was a great wrestler but so were coleman and randleman etc the difference is they became more complete fighters whereas kerr was lacking in certain areas,randleman gets a lot of **** but the guys beaten crocop,sobral,rizzo etc and the fedor suplex is the stuff of legend....

    though i do commend you for stating your list,i find it hard to come up with one in which i won't change my mind a week later,but in fairness kerr is not in my top 10..

    i rate gilbert yvel,don frye,rizzo,arlovski,randleman and ricco rodriguez etc higher than kerr
     
  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Fair point, although many of those losses came after his "prime". Like Tyson, Kerr's peak is difficult to pin down, although admittedly this adds the temptation to argue that only his wins count.


    Part of it has to do with the fact that Kerr's style--although based on a single discipline--ages well. As of 2010, Lesnar's style in the UFC is not far removed from Kerr's. Maurice Smith and Don Frye, on the other hand, were both early versions of a grappler/striker synthesis, but each was missing pieces. One dimension where Kerr did have more depth to his game than, say, Randleman was in submissions.
     
  14. Mazallan

    Mazallan ESB yes man Full Member

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    What about fighters from the early part of last century?
     
  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well...

    Jeffries could probably pull it off. Gama, no. Tani's far too small. Barton-Wright was more of a promoter than a fighter. In China, the Lei Tai guys wouldn't have any ground OR grappling game (aside from the Shuai Jiao guy, who might get in there but not as a top 10 fighter). Gotch might beat some of the best in the world if he's lucky, but he's one dimensional. Roeber's more one-dimensional than Gotch, and even Muldoon couldn't claim to be a well-rounded fighter. William Miller might--might--be able to beat some of the better fighters today if he learned to deal with kicks. A little earlier, Sullivan, Kilrain, and Smith might have done reasonably well, but wouldn't have landed in the top 10.

    Going back even further, the only guys who I'd trust in a top-flight MMA match be Vigneron, Cribb, Molineaux, Gully, and maybe Pearce. Belcher was too small, Heenan too crude, Spring too light-hitting. Perhaps Jackson, but I suspect not. I even have my doubts about the first group.

    I would only bet on Jeffries for a lower top 10 spot. Hesitantly.