De La Hoya: Possibility of Mayweather vs. Cintron is great

well your 14 or 16 man, your a kid man, yeah bra

 

Uhh... you clearly didn't see that fight.:rofl Clottey was beating Baldomir and was coming on stronger and stronger before he wad controversially dq'd on headbutts. Sorry, but is that supposed to make Baldomir better than Clottey or something?:huh

 

1000 welterweight punches arent the same as 1000 lightweight punches.
at lightweight he was near unbeatable- but at welter his workrate has dropped alot- and he has become much much more selective and careful- throwing one a a time- and hardly any combos- instead favouring potshots and lead rights, then left hook then slippping out. or counter hooks off of body shots. be interesting to see how his current style would fare against a high workrate WELTER- a guy who hits and can hurt him. lightweights are more brazen to throw - co s they can usually handle shots and now the guys can take- so they need to throw alot . welter is where punches generally become deadly from anybody- so floyds conservatism may not earn against a big heavy welter who throws in bunches and has a long jab. i still think he wins mind you, but he d have to work hard- and be challenged- imagine floyd fighting a challenging fight?!

he likes to syay its cos he s too good- but the challenging fights are everywhere at welter- and cintron is a decent one. although williams, berto, mosely , clottey, pac would get him much more kudos.

but cos we all thought he was going to fight matthew ****ing hatton, malinaggi or even gomez- this suddenly looks like a good fight.

 

Good fight, I know a lot will hate on it because Mayweather is involved but I like it. Considering the other options mentioned this is FAR better and there aren't enough options available anyway. This isn't better or worse than Clottey.

 

:rofl:rofl

 

I didn't read the entire post just read the beginning. When you fight a defensive master, 1000 punches don't exist. How the **** will someone as active as throwing 1000 punches in a fight do so against someone as defensive as Mayweather?, did they throw the same amount fighting ANYONE even 5% similar to Mayweather?, **** no.

That's the exact same topic we started before Pavlik vs Hopkins but newbies didn't understand what we were saying, it seemed to them we're from Mars. Calzaghe, an elite active fighter who is miles ahead of Pavlik in terms of everything, saw his activity(1000+ per fight too) drop BADLY against Hopkins yet it didn't drop against Lacy or RJJ, why?, because these guys didn't have the legs and movement to use defense. RJJ didn't have it because he was below shot at that stage. Hopkins used some movement, also nothing similar to his movement in his prime, and we saw an elite like Calzaghe's work-rate drop badly therefore we picked Hopkins to make Pavlik look like a heavybag based on that and based on the fact that Pavlik needs to set his self to throw and keep throwing, Hopkins never allows anyone to do that, he didn't even allow Calzaghe to do it.

You must be asking yourself, why the **** is he bringing up that topic?, because it relates to punch output and is the best recent example I could find. If I bring up an older example I might seem from Jupiter to you too. So I hope you can at least understand A BIT of what I'm trying to explain here.

 

floyd fights only 130 pounder at 147. that's his thumb rule.

 

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzz, thats a no contest!

 

Really? I wouldn't rather he fight Collazo at all. Collazo has already been exposed as not being an elite welter by losing to Hatton, Berto and being wiped out by Mosley. At least Cintron can claim to be undefeated at Welterweight side from two losses to a fight whose entire career accomplishments are in question. We KNOW what Collazo is not at this point in his career. But we can't quite say that of Cintron at welterweight.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a MUCH better fight than Mayweather/Collazo. And I suspect there would be far more criticism of a Collazo fight than a Cintron fight by most fans.

 

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well no dickhead- just cos someone disagrees with you dosent mean you need to insult. unlike you - i actually box- and when i box a lightweight who works alot-its easier than when i box a welter who throws alot. simple as that.

sure floyds style makes fighters selective- because he makes them miss and then counters- we ve seen him do that to countless high workrate boxers- but my point my simple friend- is that WE HAVENT SEEN HIM DO IT AGAINST A PRIME WELTER- so youre point- is not a point. you can theorise all you like- but- until he proves it against a welterweight- we simply dont know how he will fight. Im guessing you ll point to an aggressive bigger , acvtive guy like Baldomir, sure floyd will take those kinds of tactics. But comparing Cintron to Baldomir is hardly fair to either man.

the closest we can deduce was the shot Oscar- who had a strong jab, and was fairly active in the early rounds. active enough to have gotten the better of the first half of the fight in many peoples eyes. now- use your small brain- to try and IMAGINE- if someone could be active and fight like that for a WHOLE fight= yes - thats it - a welter- who is big - with a jab- and high workrate- are you seeing it now???
thats what im seeing- a challenge for floyd-
there you go.

next time you want someone to walk you thru ****ing your girl- give me a call.

 

I understand what you're saying. However, you have to look at the general criticism Floyd has received over the past few years. You can pretty much sum it up as follows: "Floyd refuses to fight a 'real' welterweight". Fighting Bradley would do nothing to address that criticism. At least fighting Cintron goes a ways towards acknowledging his criticism and doing something about it.

I think Bradley would be perceived as "more of the same", fair or unfair. If he fought Bradley, he would have officially fought as many Jr. Welterweights moving up (Marquez, Hatton) as he did Welterweights (Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir). Not a good look.

But I think you exposed the bottom line here - there aren't any really appealing options for a March fight for Mayweather. Anybody he picks will be met with hate from some quarter or other. It's not fair, but it's part of the burden of being a top P4P fighter, so I can't feel too sorry for him.

 

is this fight happening up at 154?

 

floyd needs to get another interview with the rugged man if he takes this fight.

 

I didn't even bother reading. You claim to box yet one post which was hardly insulting got you pissed off like that and out of control?

Let me guess, you belong in Zakman's ranking?

 

And he was going to say anything different??? "Oh no, crap opponent, blah, blah, blah".... Please, his own company signed him so how was anybody expecting Oscar to say anything different to this?