Hopkins Jones Jr II is on

yeah it actually could be more competitive than a lot of people think.

 

Like this: he spent the better part of his prime fighting the likes of Antwun Echols and Robert Allen over and over and over again instead of looking for more meaningful challenges.

Past his prime he has been full of antics like dragging the likes of Winky, Pavlik, Calzaghe out of their preferred weights to get an advantage on them and now he is pulling Roy Jones out of the grave for another beatdown. He has had some good wins past prime for sure, but the fact he didn't go after Dawson or Green and chose Roy instead tells you a bit about him.

Makes me want to spew when I hear him constantly babble about legacy.

 

As a Jones fan I think hes well and truly F3CKED, its sad how he demised. BUT he matches up well with Hopkins, Jones still has speed, Hopkins also has a low workrate.

Hopkins still winning it though and gets a black mark of his record and in 50years time on the classic forum members will be saying he beat Jones Jr despite obviously being more past it because he was older

 

What a big huge pile of stinking ****

No one was trying to fight him in his prime, he had to fight Echols/Allen to keep his belts, which was his main claim to fame. Past his prime he fought at 175 and catch weights, Calzaghe and Pavlik were pretty much the same size, The Pavlik/Winky fights were at 170 catch weights, weight was irrelevant in the PAv/Calz fights anyway. Its not like he wasnt the older man and semi-retired anyway.

Going after Jones Jr might be an issue if he wasnt 45 and avenging a loss. As for Legacy how many MW and LHW champs have there been?

 

It's ****ing disgraceful the 2 best in their era finally fight again after over 10 years waiting. These 2 are lucky to get any support at all from the fans especially considering all the fart arsing of late and not to mention their age and deteriorated abilities...

Now that the bitching is out of the way, when theyre actually fighting i can't say i wont have a beer in my hand with a smile on my face.

 

Pathetic argument. If he really wanted to force a fight with the likes of Roy he could have become the number one contender in any organisation Roy held belts in (he had em all) and forced Roy's hand. Instead he kept asking for a 50/50 split because he had multiple wins against nobodies, lol. As if THAT was going to get him anywhere. Why should Hopkins have to go looking for Roy? Because THAT's what builds legacies. Takings risks. Daring to be great.

Both Pavlik and Calzaghe looked well below their best form at the weights they fought him at. Why didn't Hopkins just fight Calzaghe at 168 if he was so keen on catchweights with the likes of Pavlik and Winky? Oh and nice side stepping of the Winky point :good

His age is the only thing that renders him less of a ***** than Mayweather.

 

I think this is really unfair SS.

Hopkins fought the best mw's available in his reign as an mw champion. He can't conjure up better mw's than exist in his division at the time, he wanted to reign as undisputed champ so he had to fight what was there (I actually think Echols was a decent fighter).

After mw, he moved to lhw to fight Tarver, and once there, why would he bother coming back down to meet guys like Winky and Pavlik? (he did at least fight them at catchweights anyway, Pavlik had already fought and beaten Jermain Taylor at a 166 catchweight, and B-Hop fought him at 170 rather than 175). A 43 year old household name burning down in weight to accommodate lesser known lighter fighters? I don't see why he, or anyone else in the same situation, would do such a thing.

I'm not even going to mention the Calzaghe accusation, because making a smw come up to lhw when you're not even a lhw yourself really isn't any advantage at all, esp when Hopkins was a career mw and Calzaghe a career smw.

If Hopkins was 35 again, I have no doubt he would fight Dawson, same as he had no qualms about fighting Trinidad after Tito had annihilated Joppy. But Hopkins knows the limitations of his own body now. Dawson, like Taylor and Calzaghe, is a volume fighter, a younger man with handspeed and workrate on his side. That's a bad bad match-up for a 45 year old who can only fight at pace sporadically.

Conversely, the 40+ version of Hopkins has proved successful against men who allow him to fight at his own pace (Tarver, Wright, Pavlik). That's why I thought he would jump at the chance of fighting Green for a cruiserweight trinket and bragging rights over RJJ. If you check out my own thread on this subject, you will see that I condemn Bernard Hopkins for taking this fight. I do think what you said is very unfair, but I am in complete agreement that Hopkins's decision to fight Jones is shameful. But to me, this decision is the exception for B-Hop, not the rule. I think he has fought great comp through his career, considering the era we live in. JMHO mate.

 

Must be crazy but I'm interested.

Really, Hopkins should be fighting Green but I'll be pulling for Roy in the upset. If he avoids getting sparked out by a lunging right, he still has the hand speed and accurate power punching to trouble Bernard.

 

Jones has become pathetic.

 

Green has done vilch other than beat up on an old Jones anyway. He lost to Mundine and Beyer the 2 times he stepped up, neither of who are top drawer. Beating Green wouldnt prove anything and he would have taken the fight if Green conceeded to Hopkins demands

HOPs probably should fight Dawson or Adamek, but neither bring massive money and Hops is probably past it now anyway so he gets a pass going where the money is

 

I can't believe you're actually making me feel some slight positivity about this fight but you are.

 

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Green was open to taking less money after the original offer was rejected.

And yes all Green did was upset Roy Jones..his current opponent. Hopkins just wants to settle an old score even if Green is the more deserving opponent.

Adamek doesn't look to be leaving Heavyweight anytime soon. The Dawson fight would make the most sense from a legacy stand point.