Top 5 most overrated boxers of All Time

Well, I dont agree when people do their top whatever of all time and I see SRL near the top ten over people who did so much more than him. Recently they even did a poll with a comparison between Leonard and Gene Tunney and guess who they put on top?

it is absurd, Johnmaff! What is wrong with their f*cking minds? Maybe these peope dont get enough oxygen at birth

How you going to compare a guy like ray Leonard who dont give rematches, who picks his fights, who claims he cant fight but comes back at 30 avoiding all the better fighters while facing all the stiffs and relics, to a guy who go 4 fights with Greb and who whipped Dempsey twice?

he dont even fight Aaron pryor when Ap walked up to him and say "I would like to fight you"

he is hesitant. he was ALWAYS hesitant. he duck Pryor the way he ducked hagler, Nunn, and the others. I do not respect that!!

but as I was saying, there is NO comparison betwen Tunney and Ray leonard! So my gripe is why do they want to overrate him so much? is it his looks? Maybe his record a little thin and they want to embellish it. That must be it too becuz now they bring up the name Floyd Mayweather sr.


You see that? thats how desperate his fans are. they try sneaking in FLOYD MAYWEATHER as tho it is today's PBF. They want to see more name fighters on his record

SRL did too little in his career. he had a couple of big fights and people already putting him up with Ali and Robinson.

I wouldnt be so doubtful of that if he faced hagler in a more timely manner but he had to go pull that **** at Baltimore. and again his fans just put up with it

then his timing (1987 comeback) make me even more suspicious.

afterwards he says "I cant give Hagler a rematch" a week after the fight.

To me, he is just as hesitant as he 5 years before. But then he will go after lalonde who to me is not legit. He is raw, undeveloped and no way does he belong in a fight with SRL. And sure as hell not for TWO titles. It got farce written all over it. Now I really look down at him and the suspicions that he is a pampered royalty by the media is 100%.

Of that there is no doubt and people like him belong in the amateurs, not in the pros.

I knew the day was coming when he'd pick the wrong opponent and he'd end up hurt. But until that day came, I knew his fans were going to keep crowing how he was the greatest

so he made damn sure he stayed away from the Micheal Nunns of the world. Someone that was just as arrogant and irreverent towrds his opponent as himself. Ray Leonard didnt want that. that is, he didnt want to be on the wrong end

so as i was saying, I dont go along with ESB nuckleheads becuz Ray's career is lacking. He need at least another 15-20 fights and I dont see why he cant fit them in since he is young and so is his career. But he is hesitant

That word-hesitant is how I would describe him. and his fans put up with it too. not only do they put up with it, they defend him all the time so they just end up with egg on their faces especially when they start to say "sugar Ray was the 11th greatest fighter p4p"

that the kind of people we got here on esb, Johnmaff!!! people who go around like wannabe experts who go along with what they see somewhere in some mag becuz they want to look credible

The ONLY time he ever face a man with the kind of speed Nunn got was Terry Norris and becuz I predicted a one sided loss AGAINST what the sports writers all over were saying, I proved that I was right and they were wrong. Were they ever wrong. Their boy got himself hurt just Like i said back in 87

so just forget what all these other fools at esb say or like to say. **** 'em!!

My thoughts on Norris-prime Ray Leonard-same result. its going to be the same thing. The ignoramus ESB crowd like to take the easy way out and say Terry couldnt take it to the chin but notice who it was on the canvas. You see? They can't even get that right :yep

In fact, ray never had Terry in trouble one time :nono

Ray Leonard looks too long for openings. If he dont see what he dont like, he does nothing. You saw it in the hearns fight of 81

if the target moves just a little it throws him off. While Ray is staring eyes wide open, Terry will be pitching, pitching, pitching. This will set the tone for the whole fight. Terry can also hurt Ray and becuz of that, Ray will concede to his superiority in his mind

Ray simply dont have the right rhythm for Norris and I think that is why he stay away from the speedster type as long as he could

the only bright side to Ray is he had a good style if the match was fought at a slow pace (leonard-Benitez, Leonard-Green, etc).

His fights could sometimes be entertaining but was he the best of his day? hell no

 

You've taken that too far.

 

Pryor turned down an opportunity to fight Leonard.

 

because he was getting stiffed for 500 grand. Ray would probably end up getting the other $7,500,000

 

It would have still been his highest payday by far at that point. He made only 50,000$ against Cervantes. Pryor gambled however and ended up doing the right thing since he made millions against Arguello. But considering that Leonard offered him a fight for reasonable money, which Pryor turned down, and later called Pryor out after the Hearns fight, it's very difficult to make a legitimate case about Leonard ducking Pryor.

 

I take some of your points about pampered royalty and handpicking fights like lalonde but the other side of the coin could be interpreted as shrewd matchmaking. I am pretty sure for 99.99% of fighters,the name of the game is to get in,make your money, and get out with your health intact.But that isnt the issue here i suppose. With respect, you give me the impression that you just dont like leonard and thats ok. I personally cant have joe calzaghe and even if he came back and KO'd the Klitchkos i still dont think i could give him Kudos, but thats my problem.

I think your the same with Leonard and without wishing to disrespect your opinion, i think that its crazy to put SRL down as just another fighter who was sometimes entertaining. Again im no expert but i agree that Terry Norris isnt anywhere near as bad as hes painted but as far as whupping an '81 SRL (at the same weight obviously)is concerned, i couldnt disagree more. I could understand you if it was all joe publics singing his praises, guys who wouldnt know a left-hook from a fishing hook, but every single person ive ever spoken to,or read, or listen to, about SRL, are all unanimous in their conclusion that he was one of the best fighters they'd ever seen. All of them! Surely they cant all be wrong could they? But the game is all about opinions and if thats yours then i respect that. I dont agree with it but i respect it

 

thats funny because where I come from I hear just the opposite.

I dont believe in his excuse for a layoff

I dont give credit for being a smart businessman either.

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If he's making millions, he should be facing the top fighters, not the EX-top fighters

be honest, who'd want to see uno mas instead of Nunn-srl? or lalonde instead of Julian Jackson srl?

I saw a recent remark mentioned "imagine if Leonard and Jackson had fought" and the first thing that came to my mind was "why not?" both were fighting at the time and both champs. but somehow Leonard always seems to miss the kind of matchups us less fainthearted fans want to see.

and my view is obviously not based on hatred but rather comes out of concern demanding higher standards from our fighters

 

Let me just say that this post right here is one of the best I have read in the ESB Classic section. I agree with everything you typed down wholeheartedly. RedRooster you the man!!!!!

 

Thank you Benny. As you know, I speak from the heart so its nice to be appreciated for being honest

 

Great post ROOSTER:good& thats exactly how it was:deal

But don't expect 90% of the pigs afterbirths on here to understand:

1) 50% of them we'rnt around then to see/understand what Leonard was really all about & so had never read the press coverage of the time which the majority universally castigated him for his machavelian manipulation & dilution of the integity of boxing (Honorable mention to that **** Jose Sulliaman WBC "El Presidente for life")

2) The rest of them are just the usual sheep/penguin hybrids that follow any media creation & now find themselves self-entrapped out of pure ignorence & blind embarrasment to the fact that they actually really know ****-all about him

It's just like the ****s on the plane from England to Vegas i was on back in 89 going to the Leonard/Duran 3 fight when this Leonard mug bet me $1000 that Duran/Leonard had only fought ONCE as he'd never heard of MONTREAL + the fact he'd only been following Leonard since LaLonde just about sum's up 90% of all the Leonard fans i've ever encountered, there not mainsteam fight fans much as DLH's ar'nt, there fans of whoever is the posterboy of the day.

I was up & down that plane checking out Leonard fans like an SS guard doing the morning roll call at a death camp:smoke

 

Barney Ross and Ezzard Charles are not overrated:nono

 

Oooooo am i reading right? Rooter admitting Pryor was offered the fight and turned it down? Did Pryor actually avoid Leonard then????

Don't forget to inform us Pryor had not even beat Arguello at this point in time and the fight wasn't worth near what it would have been after he did, but SRL was retired then of course.

What was Pryor worth in your eyes given he hadn't yet beat the Nicaraguan? What did he receive for his previous 3 or 4 fights?

I'd agree 1/2 mill was short but there's lots going on right there.

 

*hates this thread*

 

His team turned down a $750K offer from Duran as well

 

I'm reading 'Hands of Stone' right now. It's a great book about a great fighter. One of the greatest. Duran easily makes my top ten ATG list and I doubt that will change in my lifetime.

I don't think a whole lot of De La Hoya. Good fighter, yes. Great, no. Blown up by the media absolutely. Just like Leonard was. The difference between De La Hoya and Leonard, you simple minded, dim witted ball sack, is that Leonard was a great fighter. I watched Leonard win a gold medal for my country when I was 9 years old. I grew up watching replays of Robinson, Lamotta and Marciano so I wasn't looking for some media creation. I know a great fighter when I see one. Leonard proved he could fight in the ring you simpleton cum wad. I don't like to trash Duran, because he's a great and one of my favorites, but his one ***** move in life, quitting, was caused by Leonard you ball sack, lowlife.
You come on here and stereotype all Leonard fans by some experience you had on a plane in your small little world. Then you have the nerve to come on and make nazi prison camp references. That's too far you diseased piece of dog dung. I pray to one day be on a plane with you, you worthless ****. I'll show you what an SS guard deserved. Of course, I'm quite certain you aren't as badass in person. You come on here and brag about swindeling people out of their money. What is it you actually do for a living lowlife?
I forget more about boxing than you know you ****ing simpleton.