Is Mexico losing Talent, JMM is the only elite mexican boxer today!!!

anarci · Dec 15, 2009

GmoNavarro said: ↑

I posted this in other thread...its a breakdown of how i compare Whitaker and PBF against chavez if someone interested...

People who say PBF would dominate chavez the way whitaker and taylor did i dont see how you cant see that whitaker style and taylor were very different styles, first taylor dominated chavez because of his workrate and i know he didnt have very good defense thats why he took a beating and **** blood, broken ribs etc while he was winning the fight until the ko came, PBF doesnt have the half of workrate that taylor had(and i am a FMJ FAN) so i dont think thats an advantage for floyd... Now lets see whitaker defense compared to FMJ defense(i do believe sweetpea beat chavez)... i think sweetpea defense was all wrong for chavez, whitaker is the kind of guy that slips punches while he is countering attacking or anything while still moving and not staying in the pocket, he goes in and out with his jab and as you saw in the chavez fight he never stayed in the pocket, is the kind of defense that a fighter like chavez couldnt cut the ring because of sweetpeas footwork now compared to FMJ, yes pbf has excellent defense and one of the best atg but this is the kind of defense chavez can penetrate, pbf slip punches while staying in the pocket, back in the ropes, etc but his footwork is not compared with sweetpeas, but yes pbf uses his shoulder roll defense to handle staying in the pocket while sliping punches, the problem comes here, if you stay in the pocket against a fighter who is one of the best combination punchers(body-head) in history, even if you are great at sliping punches while staying in the pocket he will break your defense, what a boxer need to win rounds against a guy like chavez is just what sweet pea did, slip punches while running(footwork) so you dont let the guy cut the ring but thats not the way pbf defense work like i am telling you thats why i think jcc would be able to cut pbf the ring and penetrate his defense because even an excellent defense like pbf if you stay in the ropes or in the pocket against jcc he will penetrate your defense, jcc is not a head hunter, he throws cominations to the body and head, i do believe he would get caught by mayweather counter style but jcc workrate would make enough to win the close rounds and later in the fight he would break fmj down(i am not syaing ko, it might though)...
Another thing i dont agree with some people who say chavez was very slow, hell no, i am not saying he is as fast as fmj but i guess this thread is based on chavez prime not the one who faced whitaker who had lost a lot of speed, you can see his early fights, he wasnt slow, he wasnt very fast but he was above average fast, then you say he had poor defense, i really think jcc defense is one of the most underrated things here in esb, i think people needs to realize that there are fighters who come forward but still have a very good defense, and yes most of them doesnt have a very good defense(a very good example from the actuality is cotto) but there are ones with a very tought defense who gets in without getting caught cleanly, blocking and slipping some punches(the perfect example for this would be iron mike tyson), i am not saying jcc defense was as goog as tyson but you should rewatched some jcc tapes, i know you have watched plenty of his fights but most of the times you are so busy watching him how he comes forward that you dont realize how good he was as getting in without getting caught cleanly, most of the times he sacrifized being hit by a jab but he block or slip the biggest punches and when he was already inside he used his shoulder to block pretty much every hook the fighter throw at him, and the same shoulder was being use to open the opponent defense to follow with great combos to the body and head, so no i dont think he had bad defense, i think he had a very good defense, the main point why he got caught plenty of times against taylor was because of taylor workrate jcc looked like he was frustated by that and he got into a war and started throwing more combos without noticing he was getting caught with lots of punches but his chin made him the winner that night, but if you actually give space and time to try to get in(the way pbf does) jcc will get in without getting caught cleany, you frustrate him with workrate not letting him going forward with low workrate(thats what jcc used to like) and adding jcc chin to the table i think you know pbf punches wouldnt heart chavez so i think style favors chavez in this fight winning a not wide but clear decision possible ko in the late rounds(11, 12)...JMHO !!

And for the record I am huge fan of whitaker and chavez, i am a pbf fan and i respect pac...I also saw whitaker win against chavez and because of styles i would say whitaker decisions chavez prime at any weight and i do like a lot chavez just that styles makes fights...
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deal:thumbsup That was a great post, i hope all these Chavez haters and Newbie boxing fans that only saw Chavez at the end read this.

riannu25 · Dec 16, 2009

freddy-wak said: ↑

more like chavez vs haugen.........
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This one is personal............

asero · Jan 18, 2010

down goes salgado

one by one, they are really losing elite talent today

oibighead · Jan 18, 2010

mexicans are the best fighters in the world... shame they dont have anyone to properly fly the flag

Zopilote · Jan 18, 2010

asero said: ↑

down goes salgado

one by one, they are really losing elite talent today
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So by your logic, when Pac faces and loses to PBF your entire nation will be wiped off the boxing map

motownsiu · Jan 18, 2010

how can mexico be in decline when you have chavez jr?:thumbsup

Atritionist · Jan 18, 2010

Mexico has it's droughts from time to time, but there are plenty of prospects coming up to fly the flag for one of the countries that has given boxing some of the best fighters.

tepaltzin · Jan 18, 2010

asero said: ↑

down goes
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one by one, they are really losing
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Keep making *******s proud

Is it any wonder *******s are ESB's doormats!

Boxed Ears · Jan 18, 2010

I highly doubt Mexico or Puerto Rico will ever have a problem producing boxing talent. Highly.

box101 · Jan 18, 2010

this pac retired berrera is bull**** marco ressume before pac slaps on pacs jones mckinney trilogy morales naseem the marco who pac beat was far from the best if they faught 3yrs prior story would be different pac excellent fighter but quite this bull**** hes responsible for the demise of the mexican warrior cause it aint going to happen now or ever dumbass haters

ricardinho · Jan 18, 2010

anarci said: ↑

deal:thumbsup That was a great post, i hope all these Chavez haters and Newbie boxing fans that only saw Chavez at the end read this.
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Chavez is perhaps the greatest pressure fighter ever. One thing for sure is that the only Elite fighters right now are Floyd, Marquez, and Pac.

History was rarely given a country two elite fighters in the same era. The last time was Barrera, Morales. Elite fighters are not a dime a dozen...so when I see long list of supposed elite fighters it only makes me laugh.

This thread only demonstrates that a lot of people have a weak grasp of boxing history.

box101 · Jan 18, 2010

ricardinho said: ↑

Chavez is perhaps the greatest pressure fighter ever. One thing for sure is that the only Elite fighters right now are Floyd, Marquez, and Pac.

History was rarely given a country two elite fighters in the same era. The last time was Barrera, Morales. Elite fighters are not a dime a dozen...so when I see long list of supposed elite fighters it only makes me laugh.

This thread only demonstrates that a lot of people have a weak grasp of boxing history.
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sorry shane mosley has been an is a elite fighter as well

ricardinho · Jan 18, 2010

box101 said: ↑

sorry shane mosley has been an is a elite fighter as well
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No need to apologize I meant to include him

Boxed Ears · Jan 18, 2010

motownsiu said: ↑

how can mexico be in decline when you have chavez jr?:thumbsup
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Wow, that was low.

Scar · Jan 18, 2010

More will come, I have no doubts about it. Kind of sad to see Ortiz end up the way he did but it's not the end for him, he has enough time to change people's thoughts and come back strong if he has the heart and mentality for it.

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