Actor on set of Big Boss confirmed a fight with Bruce Lee with a thaiboxer

We're living in different times, and the old and tired refrain that there's no proof in the way of footage, to me, is rather banal and out of place, given that people just don't get filmed fighting like they do nowadays whether by mobile phone or by CCTV on the streets of Swansea on a saturday night.

What we do have is the testimony of people who know their martial arts, and who were either there, or by people who have read or listened to those stories. And to totally dispel the achievements and abilities of Lee is not only to insult him, but to a greater extent, the people that have first hand knowledge of what Bruce could do.

So, in that respect, what it means is that people like Danny Inosanto, Joe Lewis and to a lesser extent, contemporaries like Randy Couture and Dana White, and alike are basically called liars, and are somehow fooled or ignorant in their views of Bruce Lee.

Basically, footage or not, I'd rather takes the testimony of people who were there and knew him, and the people who have subsequently acquired knowledge - probably by speaking to people who knew Lee - and are respected in their own martial arts fields and conclude my opinions based on that. You can call that basing a judgement on what I don't know, but hey, I'm in pretty good company.

As for the money and advertising factor. Do you for a second think people are attracted to MMA and the UFC because Dana White said that he considered Bruce Lee as the father of MMA?

Ignorant, me? Dana White? Or you?

 

Achilles KO1 Lee

 

here is video of gichin funakoshi
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsg34LIc1vk[/ame]

here is some taekwondo from the 70's (I have taekwondo from the 60's too)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oWCFCoQpZ8[/ame]

Not only was there video (the very thing bruce lee became famous for), there were records of tournaments. These things fighters go to to prove themselves.

And Im not getting my opinions of bruce lee from the top of my head. I saw the video of him training, which sucked. I saw the video of him performing magic tricks with cooperating assistance, which I see everywhere today in martial arts. I watched his documentary on the history chanel and lisened to the psuedoscientific bull**** he practiced, like running electricity through his body. He took roids and smoked pot. He ripped off Taoism and claimed it was his. His martial philosophy is extremely vauge.

Then I see the absence of proof.

Yes, dana white would say bruce lee was the father of mma to get people interested, dana white is a man *****, and I don't care what he thinks.

Ive been repeating myself now because you are not adressing the specifics of my argument. This is about over.

 

(The simple fact that Bruce didn't compete in tournaments so there's no footage of him doing so, aside.)

The video you saw of Bruce training? The bit were he's hitting the heavybag? You know who I've seen hitting the heavybag in that same style? Jack Dempsey. The same Jack Dempsey of who Lee was a big fan of, and gotten a lot of his boxing knowledge from. But still, it's amazing you can tell everything about a guy in a clip you saw that probably lasted less than a minute. Impressive, to say the least.

And dunno what 'magic tricks' you're on about. You mean stuff like the 'one-inch punch'? Hardly a trick, more simple body physics. These are just for exhibition, and Lee thought of them as such, and no doubt to whoever saw them too. I wouldn't make them to be as important and relevant as you seem to be doing.

'Pseudoscientific bull**** he practiced'. You mean the early versions of the Electrical Muscle Stimulation equipments that are still in use today and by top athletes and coaches? Some people like them, and some people don't. Some use them all the time, some used it along with their regular 'traditional' training. The latter is what Bruce Lee did. You're trying to knock him for trying something new? Or do you believe that's what he used all the time? Or is complete bull**** because you don't use them? Whatever. Hardly a valid reason to ***** about it.

He took cortisone for pain on his back. The back injury is well documented. The fact that he took cortisone injections is not. However, apparently this is what has brought forth the idea that he did 'steriods'. Not given to the fact that steriods were fine and legal back in them days - ask Arnie Schwarzenegger - there is absolutely no proof that he ever did them, and if he did do them, there's no evidence he did it for any regular amount of time. But regardless, no one has spoken about seeing him doing steriods, and no-one has even seen proof in the way of receipts, journal entries or heard of Bruce talking about taking steriods.

My view with Bruce is that being the trial rat he seems to be, he would have looked into it. He had that mindset not to rule anything out, but additionally, I'm sure he would have considered whether it would really have really helped him or not. And on the evidence that he didn't bulk up or screw up his body, I'm personally on the 'doubt it' bracket.

But here's the most important thing in your mentioning of it: why do you consider it to be somehow worthy or important? Is it just another reason to *****? Lee wasn't in a competive arena, there was no trophies to be won, so why the sensitivity over something that was even legal back then? Which now leads on to your next *****.

He 'smoked pot'. You're bitching about someone smoking pot? RLY?! Outside of the fact that he didn't like to smoke pot at all but prefered eating hash brownies occasionally makes me think you're simply bitching for the sake of bitching. No other reason as I can see. It was the 60s and 70s, man. Are you square, daddio?

He 'ripped off' Taoism. What? Like he started a new religion based upon his own appreciation of philosophy and spirituality? He was influenced by Taosim, and other beliefs, like the thoughts of Alan Watts, Jiddu Krishnamurthy, Sufism, and many many others. That he used them to his own benefit to better his thoughts and method in life is in some way a negative expression? WTF?! He never claimed anything as his, but merely utilised his knowledge and passed it on. If you have a problem thinking that Lee has somehow appropriated something as his own I would say that would be your own problem, not his.

His 'martial philosophy is extremely vague'. Hmm, that's like saying the Bible is extremely vague. It worked for him, and if it appears vague to you, maybe you follow your own martial philosophy and not denigrate someone else's.

As for Dana White. I like the MMA, I don't watch it because some guy said something about Bruce Lee being the father of it. And I don't watch Couture for the same reasons.


Ok, sure, you may be not getting your 'opinions of bruce lee from the top of my head' but I can certainly think of one other place you've gotten your opinions from. And the sun don't shine there.Obviously. So much hate, dude. And so negative.

 

seems to be video footage of joe lewis.

there is fotoage of bruce lee but it is select i.e. him training at his house. funny how that gets recorded but not him destroying numerous real fighters.

 

yeah, we'll just throw that little tidbit aside

I see him hitting a near-empty heavy bag which wont stay still with shitty technique

yeah having some ****** believer roll backwards after being one inch punched.

he made a believer out of you.

you are such a nutthugger, going on a tantrum about how it would be ok if he did them, while at the same time saying there is no way he did!

There werent tournaments back then? NEWS TO ME.

I don't do drugs. I don't hate people who do either. I do know that pot/hash is not something used on a regular basis by the elite of the elite. I know a lot of people who had their fighting careers ruined by it. But I guess bruce didn't have a fighting career to begin with.

he wrote a book with a lot of philiosophy which he didnt accredit.

Are you going to be ok?

Saying 'use what works, don't use what doesnt work' :happy what a genious. It implies that martial arts chose a bunch of stuff at random. The problem is obviously not in knowing to choose what works. The problem is knowing what works.

thats you.

where would that be?

You have a problem with me dissing a fake?

1. Video of him 'training
2. History channel documentary
3. His tournament record/lack thereof
4. Video of his martial arts demonstration
5. Knowledge of hollywood and their public relations tricks


thats pretty much where I am getting this from.

 

Are you nuts?

 

Are you nuts? Joe Lewis was a product of the late60's and 70's

 

BJ Penn would dominate Lee so bad that Bruce would be calling him daddy before the first round is over.

 

Bruce would be unconcious before the first round was over more likely.

 

You guys seen Bruce Lee fight in movies and try to compare him to guys you have actually seen in real fights? How can you do that?

 

Youre talking as though Bruce Lee was around at the same time as John L. Sullivan. He died in 1973 according to wiki...lots of opportunities for him to compete and be seen competing...he didn't.

 

the man in your avatar would ****ing hammer lee.

 

Bruce Lee. wow, well he accomplished a lot in a short life. very successful etc. people all over the globe have been and continue to be inspired by him. he deserves some respect and, regardless of whatever I have said, I respect him. UP TO A POINT. However, he did not walk on water, cure cancer, or defeat GOD after his death. Jeet Kune DO, the concept , is ok but here is what is needed. A Good style, a good teacher, and a good student. get those in line, in the beginning, and you can have a good result. otherwise, you are ****ed. BRUCE LEE WAS NOT A FIGHTER, now, argue infinitely. what does it really matter, if someone is inspired by LEE, they still have to do the work for themselves. and having a shrine to Lee aint going to help anyone get any better. The guy is in his grave, he is dead, he is buried. GOOF BALLS TO TO HIS GRAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND DO KATAS FOR GODS SAKE. If Lee meant or knew anything, he would know this is GOOFY BULL ****. I believe alll this dumb worship of him actually is a form of disrespect to him. I have been involved in martial ats since 1966, i been there, done it with the greatest there were. not all of them, nobody has been everywhere. I can tell you , there were, and in all probability now are, many, let me say again MANY MANY people in martials arts better than LEE. Some of them are, to the world, unknowns. Some may find it hard to believe, but those that remained unknown, meaning world recognition, riches, etc. PREFERRED IT THAT WAY. There was once a concept, that martial arts was about something other than money, fame , movies, and the other shiny things most think it is about. Lee was what he was and not more than that.

 

trying to put LEE in a human realistic perspective is like taking a bottle from a crying baby. they dont like it. there is an old taoist or zen saying, when you meet the buddha, kill the buddha. you got to do your own training. one of the worse things about martial arts, and it has always disgusted me. IT IS VERY MUCH A CULT. The teacher, often produces mind numbed robots and their paths to being good, especially really good, is limited because of it. I think Lee was maybe, about breaking free of that ****. I see it still goes on and is thriving today.