Haye-Ruiz M.E.N Arena Sky Box Office

so what kind of score was on your card - how much did you have Haye winning by - clearly or very close ?

 

Haye won by 7 rounds.

 

Sorry Lee MC no disrepect - but I think you either dont know how to score a fight properly or you were very biased in your scoring.

Lets see how GazOC scored it.

 

Why the laughing?

It was one of the most one-sided heavyweight contests in recent history...

It wasn't even close :deal

 

I think Haye properly nicked it by 2 or 3 rounds - the final round swayed it for him.

 

Clean effective punching is the normal guide...

 

Valuev did hardly nothing but Haye hardly dominated him either. Although I agree Haye did deserve the decsion.

A more accurate description would be to call it, one of the most uneventful heavyweight contests in recent history........:good

 

:yep Claude Abrams had it something like 118-110 for Haye, that's how wide he thought it was from ringside. Even German TV has Haye winning.

 

Uneventful or not, Haye dominating or not, you still must score fights on a 10 point must system.

If Valuev landed 2 jabs per round and Haye landed 4 or 5 good right hooks you MUST score the round for Haye.

You've even admitted that Valuev did nothing so how could you score, by your card, at least 4 or 5 rounds to him?

 

Once again - I thought Haye won - but not by them kind of margins :-(. You dont go to a guys backyard and run all night and deserve to win that kind of scores. More like 116-112 or 115-113.

 

I had Haye by five.

It all depends on what you score on.

The US judges place WAY too much emphasis on aggression, whereas the European judges generally score on a package of various things, including aggression.

For me....

Clean punching
Effective aggression
Defence

In that order. Ring generalship is a pretty meaningless term, if you are better in two of the three areas, it's a pretty safe bet that you are the ring general in there, in a sense that the opponent is fighting your fight, rather than his own.

Some fights are an exception to this, Mayweather fought Hatton's fight pretty much all the way through, to an extent where you could say that it was closer when they were fighting at range, rather than in-close.

 

It was so uneventful that in a single round where neither fighter landed anything of significance I would have awarded it too Valeuv for being the aggressor and trying to push the fight.

Roy Jones fought off the back foot all night against James Toney but he was landing all night with crisp left hooks and jabs and body shots.

Haye was boxing off the back foot without landing much at all.

 

It shouldn't matter if a fighter is in his opponents backyard or if hes on the backfoot. If you land more effective punches then you win the round and if you keep doing that you keep winning rounds and building up a wide lead.

 

Yeah - but if you are the challenger you gotta take the title - you gotta put it on the line if you want to become a champ. In a close round - Valuev was the aggresor and took some rounds.

Still Haye winning by 116-112 is a acceptable score in my book. But 118-110 I disagree with scores of that margin.