Benitez-Duran '82 / Weight Issue.....

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Folks,

    I was just reviewing my tape of "Benitez-Duran" from 1982 off of HBO. I am a bit confused with Raymond Leonard's comments in regards to Roberto Duran making the 154 lb. weight limit going into the fight.. SRL stated that Duran had been at or near the Jr. Middleweight limit of 154 for the past few weeks, and by doing so, Duran might be weight-drained for being down in weight for that length of time... WTF??? Roberto Duran is / was a regular 135 to 147 pounder; never a natural 154 pounder... Why would Duran be weak by keeping his weight down near the contracted limit of 154 when he is a naturally smaller fighter / man??? I'd figure that by being at or near 154 for a prolonged period of time, he'd be adjusted and comfortable at 154 pounds, instead of just barely making weight at the last day or so, etc..

    What also bugs the **** outta me is, Duran was lean and fit at 154 for Luigi Minchillo earlier in Sept. 1981 out in Vegas........ Well, Duran fought Willie Benitez at 154 in Jan. 1982...... Yes, a mere "4" month period..... I have a statement by Roberto Duran who said he had to drop 38 pounds in order to make weight for Benitez in '82............ Q: How the hell did Duran weigh 154 in Sept. 1981 for Minchillo, and then balloon up to 192 pounds, just to drop back down to 154 for Benitez in Jan. 1982??? How did he (Duran) do this???? If Roberto Duran did infact put on and then drop 38 pounds during the four month period between the 'Minchillo' and 'Benitez' fights, well then, I can certainly understand R.D. being weak and sluggish in his '82 title losing challenge to Willie Benitez......

    Any thoughts here?:huh:deal

    MR.BILL:bbb
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    How did he put on and take off so much? He was Roberto friggin' Duran. He was an extremist.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, take someone who grew up starving and put them in front of a buffet every night, none the less in the glamorous, over indulgent 80's and there's going to be issues.
     
  4. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was saying Duran might be overtrained. In other words, he made the weight too soon and held it down for too long, and thus was weakened from that.


    That one's simple: he's a bitchass excuse maker.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The question is when did Duran make the statement that he had to drop 38 lbs???

    Knowing Duran, I'm sure he put on a few pounds just a couple a week removed from the Minchillo fight......

    ......but if its the Duran of today talking, I'm sure just like any old timer, he's going to exaggerate and make the truth into a tale.:D
     
  6. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He trained on Coiba, an island where the criminals roam free. Rapists, such as Ayala, murderers such as that guy from the Ravens, etc. Duran said he could get no sleep and it was a nightmare. For the guy that said Duran was a bitchass excuse maker:asskissAt lest Duran fought guys straight up and w/out any demands for bigger rings, certain glove, rounds etc. He didn't wait for a guy to get too fat to get back in shape or anyother ****. He just accepted the fight and asked no quarter and gave no quarter. No matter what anyone thinks, Duran is universally considered one of the top fighters of all time and is ranked higher in history than ANYONE from the last 30 years, For proof, look at all the published lists and books old articles etc. :fy:fy:fy
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember reading about that too. He looked really lean and hungry for the Davey Moore fight,did n't he ?
     
  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I read a 'Duran' interview in either World Boxing or International Boxing magazine back in 1982 / '83.......... I had a subscription back then..... Duran went on file saying he struggled with "Benitez, Laing and Jimmy Batten" in 1982 cuz of a lack of training and that he was merely fighting on his name and reputation alone, etc.... Duran was about age 31 during this interview and he refused to acknowledge that he was aging and fading....... It was in that article where Duran claimed he had to drop 38 pounds for the fight with Wilfred Benitez...........
    :thumbsup

    MR.BILL

    NOTE!

    The magazine also asked if Duran thought his power was hindered at the higher weight of 154 and Duran said: "NO!" Duran explained that his power was still there but he had been fighting runners who refuse to trade with him in the ring....... So therefore, Duran had to chase a few *******s.......
    :bbb

    I'm sure Duran was blowing some smoke out his ass at the time, but he did make a great comeback in boxing come 1983 against "Cuevas, Moore & Hagler."
    :yep
     
  9. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you people almost make me hate Duran
     
  10. Gesta

    Gesta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran, Duran the king of kings.
     
  11. SOMERSETDURAN

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    All makes me love him even more!
     
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah... I'm a 'Duran' nut-hugger to the max........

    MR.BILL
     
  13. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benitez was just the better junior middleweight overall and a terrible matchup for Duran at that point in his career.
     
  14. MRBILL

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    The win over Duran would also prove to be Benitez' last meaningful win of his career......... Losses to "Hearns & Hamsho" would soon follow...... The '87 KO loss to Matt Hilton on TV sealed the coffin shut on Benitez' career....
    :patsch

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  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The fighter himself is the last to say he's slowing.......

    "Cuevas, Moore, and Hagler.".......all fighters that Duran did'nt have to go look for.

    Leonard, Benitez and Laing who Duran lost too, all gave Duran lateral movements that frustrated him.

    At over 147 lbs, Duran just did'nt have footspeed to chase, that any decent enough fighter who went in with the plan to move on Duran, was going to have some success against him.


    You know, most fighters are like Roberto Duran, there's always an excuse for the reason they lost.

    ......it makes me wonder why JC Chavez gets so much flak from it, and Duran who imo went well above the level of excuse making that Chavez did, hardly gets any here at ESB.