Top 5 most overrated boxers of All Time

No, they're simple and straightforward reiterations of the truth.

Wonder if Lalonde had only previously been worth $50,000?

What did to Kalule get for fighting Leonard, and with his title on the line?

No, the bottom line is that Pryor turned down the fight when there was an ACTUAL OFFER for it, making press conference shenanigans a non-issue.

No, career high paydays are as far from a joke/insult as you can get. Just ask Kalule.

 

Yey and same with most fighters with a lot of talent, there are even ATGs that have had the same out of the ring problems and have gone on to still have great careers. Chavez,Olivares immediatly come to mind and many many more.

 

Kalule wasn't on Pryor's level as a fighter. Pryor was an egomaniac and wanted more than a career high payday, he wanted what Leonard got for fighting Duran. That's why the fght didn't get done, it wasn't Pryor's heart, it was Pryor's big head. He felt he was just as good as Leonard and Duran and should get the same payday as them so when Leonard offered him like the crazy cokehead he was, he said no. Both rejected offers to fight each other at different times, just leave it at that.

 

I think Duran is also. He never knocked out an ATG.. For what people say is a top 5 ATG he never knocked out an ATG, and he never beat a prime ATG. Leonard fought his fight and he still couldn't knock him out over 15 rounds. then Duran lost to Hagler/Hearns/Benitez/Leonard. Regardless of excuses he lost to them all.

 

since Aaron is smaller than Ray by about 3 inches, he showed more guts than Leonard

If Leonard meant business it would be more your typical 60/40 type deal

 

Lalonde was NEVER worth 50 grand!

makes me wonder what Donny pulled down from his fight with leonard?

and makes me wonder if pryor was to get 500 K, then leonard must have been getting maybe 750 K out of it?

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Leonard woud've stopped Pryor brutally. Pryor was too avaialable to be hit and Leonard was one of the greatest finishers ever.............................MAG1965, I get tired of all the excuses for Duran and all the propoganda, but I don't think he's overrated. I think he's one of the handfull of guys who could be included in a best ever argument.

 

Just like he wouldve beat Hagler in his prime and Micheal Nunn too if only he had gotten the chance

 

Yes he was, he'd made as much as $300,000 prior to fighting Leonard.

Unless you live in some bizarre parallel universe where $300,000 is less than $50,000. :nut

Yes it was. He offered Pryor 10x more than his previous career best just like he offered Lalonde roughly 10x more than his previous best; and Pryor didn't have to risk a title or cut weight like Lalonde did.

 

By TURNING DOWN his offer??

:nut

Since when are 60/40 offers "typical"? :nut

 

Pryor had yet to prove that in the ring. As the matter stood, they simply were both unbeaten titleholders in "junior" weight divisions.

No, a fighter who thinks he's as good as another fighter will jump at the chance to fight him, especially if it means a wealth of prestige and money to follow. Pryor's actions were those of a fighter who doesn't think he's as good as that fighter and is just looking to cash out.

No, Pryor rejected THE offer, and that's where it should be left at. Throwing a fit at a press conference isn't an "offer," and is irrelevant when an actual offer has already been turned down.

 

2 cents never mind the bull****, why dont you answer the question?

How much was Ray to get with Pryor? If Pryor was to get 500 K then Ray was getting......?

 

Since when is asking for a fight considered throwing a fit? If ray had been man enough to accept Aaron wouldnt have had to come on so strong

 

This doesn't even make any sense.

Most of Leonard's opponents were simply worth far less than him. 500,000$ was still a large amount of money then, Leonard was about the only one who made millions. 60/40 with the purses Leonard made against an opponent who few even knew about and had only beaten an old Cervantes for 50,000$ is quite generous.

Leonard gave Pryor a fair offer and Pryor turned it down. I'm not going to accuse him of ducking because that'd be just dumb but it shows that Leonard was hardly ducking Pryor, was he? Since he was the only one who actually put an offer on the table and didn't just rudely interrupt during some press conference to make a name for himself using Leonard's popularity. "Call-outs" mean nothing, Pryor's management was notoriously a mess and he screwed up many potential superfights. Call out fighters and then turn down their actual offer, that's what he was all about.

If he really wanted that fight with Leonard, I'm sure he would have done with half a million. Kalule fought Leonard for far less because he knew what he was worth and what a fight with Leonard could do to his career.

 

well Duran was a natural lightweight facing Hagler who was a natural middleweight. So how would Hagler do against Michael Spinks or Bob Foster?

Duran was a special fighter. Just because he didnt ko Leonard doesnt take anything away from his win. Leonard was durable, afterall who knocked out Leonard in his prime? Duran accomplished ALOT both as a lightweight and when he moved up, something very few fighters can claim. He is easily one of the ten greatest p4p fighters of all time and is arguably among the top 5.