Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tunney
    Sharkey
    Schmeling
    Walcott
    Charles
    Patterson

    I find this DAMN hard. Experts needed.
     
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, that isn't easy to say the least. :huh:think
     
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  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I lean towards a peak Sharkey at the moment but at different times in the last 35 years I think I have rated all of these guys number one. I think we can go nH2H on this one but resumee opinions are equally valid.
    It's not a thread for B/shitters, you have to know your stuff on this one.
     
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  4. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's tough, they're all in the same 2nd tier of HW greats for me.

    Patterson
    Schmeling
    Walcott
    Charles
    Tunney
    Sharkey
     
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  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Max, damn it your's nearly are the inverse of my opinions but why Patterson?
    Do you think his agressive speed takes the lot? Or would Tunney figure him out and outbox him? Or Schmeling Johansson him? Would Walcott be too slick and Charles just too damn good allround? And I think a peak Sharkey beats the lot-I mean I can see everyone beating anyone in this. Somebody convince ,i'm open to it.
     
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  6. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, like you said, I can see everyone beating everyone else in this so the list is very fickle. I don't think anyone on the list has the power to really bomb Patterson out, so his greatest weakness, chin, isn't that big of an issue. I think he had a mix of skill, speed, explosiveness, power and defense that makes me hesitant make anyone the solid favorite over him. Now that I think about it my list is probably going to be something like ...

    Patterson
    Tunney
    Walcott
    Schmeling
    Charles
    Sharkey

    I think Sharkey is too likely to lose his head against some of these guys, which is why I have him placed last, his mental fortitude is too much of a liability. Tunney is number two simply because of his overall excellence, his consistency (out of everyone here, Tunney is the only guy that doesn't have losses peppered all over his record) and because of how good he looks on film at HW in his last three fights. Walcott is third because his tricky, awkward style would give anybody problems. Schmeling was tough, clever and, in my opinion, the hardest puncher of the bunch. Charles was great, but I don't think he was at his best at heavyweight. Really, though, outside of one or two, every fight that could be made between any of these guys I would make the odds very close.
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. Mendoza

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    I think Tunney was the best of the lot because he was a speedy boxer with some range, speed, smarts, toughness, stamina and durability. Tunney's ring record is outstanding.

    After Tunney its very close. On his best night, Walcott. On the average night maybe Scheming or Patterson are #2 and #3.

    Sharkey to me is the least of the bunch. He lost too often.
     
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  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But like the girl with the curl when Sharkey was good(which was more often than not) he was very good. Charles and Walcott lost a lot too, you know. Patterson also but often close and only to top tier fighters. And it can be argued that Tunney beat less good Heavyweights than any of thr others.
     
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  10. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey Matt, hope things are OK

    here's my take for what its worth

    Charles
    Walcott
    Tunney
    Patterson
    Schmeling
    Sharkey
     
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  11. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn you , Rockysplitnose, how can you pick Charles after what he did to you?
    Youropinion is at least as valid as anyone's but I have to move Sharkey off the bottom rung, Which guy beats aprime Sharkey? Tunney , (a small maybe) watch Sharkey on film(utube even) on his best nights first-he was great methinks.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    As far as I'm concerned, Schmeling is a top 15 heavyweight.
     
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  13. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A reasonable position but why do you rate him above these other 5 fighters, we find them damn hard to seperate.
     
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  14. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BTW with only a few posts, I think Walcott is the only one without a no. 1 selection?
     
    mattdonnellon, Jan 25, 2010
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I haven't thought about it recently, but off the top of my head:

    Schmeling's win over Louis strands equal to--or slightly better than--Frazier's win against Ali. It's better than any single win that the Patterson, Tunney, Sharkey, Walcott, or Charles can muster between them. Heck, it's better than any single victory that Ali ever scored.

    Schmeling beat Sharkey once (twice, really--and I count the second as a victory for Schmeling), beat a better version of Louis than Walcott or Charles faced, and did so far more convincingly. Also didn't duck anybody as Patterson did.

    Tunney probably comes closest.
     
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