Frazier vs Holmes

Higher pace? "Holmes vs. Shavers 1 & 2" and "Holmes vs. Norton" were pretty action-packed at a damn good rapid pace....... "Holmes-Cooney" and "Holmes-Spoon" were also well paced, too.....

MR.BILL:yep:happy:bbb

 

Holmes has the toughness, intelligence and powers of recovery to hang in there to earn a points win in an awesome fight.

Be interesting how people see Frazier vs Lennox.

 

voted frazier TKO.
i just see holmes vs. norton. really not a good fight. holmes retreating , norton stalking getting caressed by the oh so famous holmes' jab. the only one landing anything significant in this fight is norton.
a disgrace. this holmes at least would have been stopped by marciano , tyson , frazier , tua would have of course KO1 him too.
not that frazier is tua , that's why it will be a late stoppage , maybe even past the 12th round , but more likely , inside 12.
this holmes is not any better than oquendo , ruiz , izon , i really don't know what people here find in him. no wonder he was outpointed by spinks.
he would have always lost to tyson , holyfield and yes , mccall too , always.
and to answer the question that i once did not know how to answer : despite of foreman's lack of talent , he'd have stopped holmes.

 

Aside from the Ali and Foreman bouts, when did Frazier look beaten up ?

 

Holmes was legit. a great and I think he had a little more power than Ali with his right hand and his jab was great. He was not the mover Ali was and as fluid as the pre 1970 Ali, but the later Ali and the Holmes of 1982 compare well. Since Ali post 1970 fought Frazier I think the Holmes of 1982 busts up Frazier's face and the fight is stopped about round 14. Holmes had a good right hand, and if he was knocked down he would get up.

 

Holmes was like Ali, except he also had an uppercut ( Which works vs Frazier's style ), and took less breaks on the ropes, which is where Frazier always did his best work.

Frazier had swelling issues, and did not have the best chin. His attack was predictable, and he only had one dangerous punch. While it was a great punch, Holmes was only stopped once in 75 fights, and it happened when Holmes was old and in-active vs. a prime Mike Tyson.

I think a smart, skilled and tough pro like Holmes would go to town on Frazier with a stinging jab, stiff right, and excellent combinations. I think Holmes would win via mid to late round TKO in a 15 round fight.

 

Holmes' uppercut was probably the best since Johnson's[].
Potent weapon ,against a croucher ,but also leaves you vulnerable to the left hook.

Holmes didn't really throw left hooks ,so he lacked the weapon that was in Ali's arsenal, he also put more steam on his jab .Larry was basically a "one two fighter ", left jab /rightcross,Ali had more variety, imo.
We agree that Holmes beats Frazier though.

 

Still waiting to confirm all this swelling he tended to have .. antone want to pont it out before March 71 ?

 

How about from his trainer Eddie Futch?

 

Joe's relentless attack would be too much for Holmes. If Frazier can slip Ali's jab, he could slip Holmes. Joe bobbing and weaving and punishing Holmes would take him out. Holmes never faced a pressure fighter like Frazier and I don't know how he could fight when Joe cuts off the ring and worked Larry. I definitely don't think Larry can withstand Joe's excellent body attacks. I think by round 7-8, Joe would knock him out.

 

Princess of talk without facts, which fight ?

 

Larry holmes never faced the kind of pressure that Joe Frazier would place on him. Holmes didn't hit hard enough to stop him from coming and it was impossible to discourage frazier. He seemed to enjoy getting hit and he only got stronger as a fight wore on.

Also besides the pressure, how would holmes handle the body punches? He would certainly be tested in a way that he's never been and his heart would also been tested.

Both men have been proven to have great heart but the question is who's heart would give out first. I'd say holmes would. He would become so exhausted that he would become completely stationary and this is where Frazier would get him. Frazier by tko in 14.

 

"Frazier had a problem he always from fights swelled up. He never got cut but he always had a problem with swelling."

- Eddie Futch, Muhammad The Whole Story Documentary

Always here to educate you on the facts. :good

 

So you have no proof do you Princess ? What else is new. You are the joke of the Board. No one posts more with less knowledge about the sport.