Frazier vs Holmes

Tough fight to call prime for prime, H2H. I don't agree with those who posted in this thread who believe Holmes beats Frazier easily with Joe winning very few rounds.

Joe could and would catch Larry on the ropes and not waste punches like one poster said. Larry's not as quick on foot as Ali, especially backpedalling, and Joe is one of the best body punching heavyweights. Larry does have the potential to stop Joe on cuts or swelling if he's able to land his jab and right hand. Holmes probably takes the early rounds, but Joe warms up in the middle rounds and I'd bet on him wearing down Holmes to the body and stopping him late unless Joe absorbs too many shots that hampers his vision.

 

Peak Frazier would be on Holmes from the middle rds on sucking the life out of Larry`s legs if Larry tries to box & move... if he fought flatfooted I think he takes even more punishment but still hangs in there giving & taking until the final bell.

Frazier UD15 Holmes

(12 rds is much closer no doubt)

 

Whoever voted Holmes by KO should have a rethink I think.

 

Excellent points, couldn't have said it better myself.

 

I did not get a chance to vote but I like Frazier by decision or late stop. Prime Frazier beat Ali and although it was the right hand Holmes was vulnerable to, Larry never fought a hooker like Joe and Joe was a converted southpaw. Frazier held up well vs Ali and neither Ali or Holmes could crack Norton to hurt him, Joe took a better punch than Norton and Joe could put the pressure on and make you work. Larry showed a tendency in both the amatuers and the pro's to get hit by shorter Power fighters. Nick Wells, not quite 5"11 KO'd him 2 times and Tyson did it. I dont see it being an early fight. I see a wear down battle of attrition with both men getting hit (more like the Norton/Holmes fight) but Frazier's stamina and pressure as well as more Pop on his hook than Norton. Holmes carried some weight in his right hand as well but not enough to push the button against Frazier. IMO Frazier tko14 in a great battle

 

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A hooker like Joe ? Cooney? Frazier was more durable than Norton ? Debatable as Norton fought several really big punchers ,and Frazier ,only one ,who used him as a yo yo.

 

I just do not think Larry Holmes was beatable or kayoable when he was still south of age 35 in 1985.......... Prior to 1985, Larry Holmes proved his metal and worth by cleaning out a decent list of challengers...... Okay, so Larry Holmes never fought Greg Page, Michael Dokes or Pinklon Thomas.... I know that, however, them dudes didn't really surface as a serious threat until 1982 to 1985 when Larry Holmes was already aging at 32 to 35 yrs by that time and juncture....... And, according to Larry Holmes, Don King and Cable TV were only offering Larry Holmes normal championship base pay to risk his crown against them MUCH YOUNGER tigers....... Larry Holmes BALKED at Don King's 2.5 million dollar offer to fight Greg Page in 1983....... And to be honest, Michael Dokes and Larry Holmes never really ever got into serious negotiations once Dokes and Joey Curtis stole the WBA title from Mike Weaver in 1982.... Pinklon Thomas? He was good---for a brief moment in time..... But he rose fast and fell fast, too........ I do not knock Larry Holmes' reign or resume at all....... L.H. is great..........

MR.BILL

 

A Holmes stoppage, tho not probable is very very possible.

 

I really do not see it ... I love Larry but I pick Joe ...

 

Many will tell you Holmes hit harder than Ali ever did. It's also quite likely he was better than Ali when flat footed. He also had a sterling uppercut, see the Weaver finish.


As a fine man once said, everyone that fought Frazier had to fight. Holmes fought well.

If Ali had Frazier hurt Holmes could do the same. Holmes was a VERY good finisher.

Holmes stopping Frazier is IMO as likely as Frazier stopping Holmes.

 

And Cooney landed a fair amount of those left hooks. Frazier would land more.

 

Cooney landed them to the body and they didn't really bother Larry all that much. There was one in at the ending bell in the 4th that Larry didn't like but he was fine the next round.

 

Still, though, Cooney's left hook gave Holmes some problems. It scored points and some probably was felt a bit as well. It's not like the Cooney fight is a testiment to how Holmes had no problems at all with left hooks. The body is where Frazier would land his left hook as well for the most part, and there would be plenty hard ones coming.

 

Cooney did not put the pressure (SMOKE) on like Joe, nor did he have the late power (he only fought 8rds) and as I stated a short lefthooker like Frazier. Norton fought punchers but was stopped by most of them and was Jose Louis Garcia on par with even Bob Foster as a puncher not to mention Ellis,Ramos,Bonevena,or a prime Quarry. Like I said this fight would be close but I am leaning on Frazier being the stronger man at the finish line and the wear and tear taking effect on Holmes but it could likely be played out the other way but prime vs prime the Frazier of Ali 1 was hard to stop, was fit and had late relentless power. I think that Frazier would be too much for Holmes but Larry was also less vulnerable to the left hook than the right and Ali's kryptonite was the hook. Still I think this would be an attrition battle and I dont see Larry stopping Joe, so I think this one goes 15 or less and at Joe's chosen pace, which would be hectic indeed

 

Frazier also throws them more compact and from much closer than Cooney.