jack dempsey vs rocky marciano

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I pick an early K.O for Dempsey in what would be an insane war while it lasted.

 

Jesus H. Christ.......... Marciano takes all the shots in the world from aging but seriously skilled dudes with power like "Louis and Walcott" and wins all fights by KO, but Jack Dempsey somehow KO's Marciano with his arsenal...... Jesus H. Christ........

Joe Louis was knocking on age 38 in 1951, but he had trained his ass off and weighed a solid 213 pounds come fight night...... Yes, Louis was slower with his hands and feet from yrs before, but his jab and power was still there..... Marciano was in a serious fight up until the 7th round, in which he began to take control of Louis and the fight....

Joe Walcott was ripped and toned in 1952 when he dropped Marciano in round 1 and was throughly teaching Marciano a lesson in boxing from rds 1 thru 12 during their epic war..... Nothing easy was there for Marciano.......

Marciano hammers Dempsey in a time machine............

MR.BILL

 

Let me put it this way. When Rocky Marciano , who I saw paralyze Carmine Vingo, in 1949, at MSG, was in his prime was being compared with a Prime Jack Dempsey comparisons was in order. I recall vividly, and with no axe to grind, virtually all the great boxing writers, such as Hype Igoe; Nat Fleischer, Dan Parker,and a host of others picked Dempsey , because of his great power, welterweight speed,much better defense, and most importanly , his skin toughness, seldom was cut. I must agree with these writers, who saw the great Dempsey of Willard and before. Too much handspeed and just as tough as Marciano.....SPEED KILLS.

 

Hmmm.... So Marciano had slow hand speed.?.? Are you sure???:huh Too bad Joe Walcott and Archie Moore are now dead, cuz I'd imagine they'd have a different opinion about that issue...... Gee.......
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MR.BILL

 

It really would have been a hell of a fight ....

 

marciano takes this one based on superior chin and power in 3.

 

yes a 37 yr old Joe louis was faster and better then dempsey, great logic

 

I never said that, Jack......... I was merely stating that Louis of 1951 was not a bum or pug looking to play it safe....... Louis was well trained against Marciano and came to win the fight..... But age was against him and Marciano beat Louis cuz of youth, determination and power.... But Louis was gallant and formible for the first "6" rds......

Also, despite Louis' age and declining reflexes, he still tagged Marciano with stinging jabs and heavy lefts and rights early on.... Those type of punches did and do hurt a fighter if you are the receiver....... But Marciano was tuff as a dollar steak and was in great shape on that night back in Oct. of '51.....

Point is, I give Marciano credit for eating Louis' best and maintaining his feet in order to win the fight by 8th round KO........ That's all.......

MR.BILL:hat

 

Hello Burt, fairly new to this Forum - but just absolutely blown away that you were ringside for Marciano-Vingo - please please please give us all your memories from that one, what was the crowd like? How did both guys look condition-wise - how badly did Vingo have Marciano hurt at times? Who were you rooting for (and who did you think would win it) - give us a comparison on Vingo as to who he was similar to in terms of style/size/power/level of ability. How much of a sense of Marciano's power did you get from ringside? Dont be a stranger - we need people like you around here to tell it how it was - this is like being in a time machine for those of us who couldn't make it to the fight - give us as much info on it as you can :good

 

HyaRocky, and thank you foryour interest in the Marciano/Vingo fight, which I as a youngstersaw in MSG in 1949.I remember that slaughter vividly.We had great seats in the side balcony, right over the ring....We were excitedfor the coming fight, as I had watched the 6ft4" Carmine Vingo, several times onour small tv screen, koing his opponents quickly. Vingo was a rising star from the Bronx,destined to stardom as a heavyweight...He was a bigger edition than Tami Mauriello, or a later day Jerry Quarry...But Rocky Marciano changed all that...Marciano,I had read about in the Ring Magazine in 1948, being touted as a crude and powerful puncher from Brockton, Mass...I was skeptical about his ko record, because out of town phenoms, seldom lived up to their hype...Was I in for a surprise... In the very first round,Vingo, who towered over the smallish Marciano,lifted Marciano off the floor with a tremendous right uppercut, and the crowd went crazy, thinking it was all over for Rocky,and so did I. Marciano, took this powerful blow and shook it off...Remaining on his feet and fighting back...Then the tide turned , and Marciano proceeded to give Vingo a terrible beating, but the game Vingo continuedthe bout until the 6th round, when he collapsed to the canvas.WWe thought he was dead, and I remember his right foot Twitching. It was a scary sight...They put Vingo on a stretcher, to Polyclinic Hospital, across the street from MSG in critical condition... After many months in the hospital. the game Vingo was able to walk again with a cane...A night I will never forget, so long ago. Rocky I hope I answered some of your questions.....

 

Burt .. there is actually some silent footage of this bout recently posted on Youtube shot from a few rows back ... it does not have the KO but if you have not seem it you very well might want to do so ...

 

Awesome Burt - thanks for the memories :happy - absolutely amazing -:cheers can't beleive the seats you had!!! Brilliant stuff - thats just phenomenal!! Damn it sometimes I wish I'd been born 70 years earlier - stay in touch - did you see any other greats from that era? Out of the fights you've been to see at ringside - who was the best on the night - and which fight was it - PS were there any cuts in the Vingo fight - never read anywhere about any being mentioned - and how did Vingo punching power compare with Marciano's?

 

Yes Rocky, I,ve seen snippets of the Marciano/Vingo fight, but it shows so little...As far as the greats I,ve seen, too long to mention here, but here is a partial list....Robinson Henry Armstrong, Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery,Kid Gavilan, Jake Lamotta,Willie Pep [prime], Sandy Saddler, Marcel Cerdan/ Georgie Abrams,Rocky Graziano,Prime Graziano was most electrifying fighter I ever saw,Gus Lesnevich, Jimmy Bivins, Marciano, of course, Ist Ali/ Frazier fight MSG second Ray Robinson/ Randy Turpin fight at Polo Grounds in 1951, and so many, many others> I was.......... Aw blessed to be around during the SECOND GOLDEN AGE of boxing ..... As for the most impressive fight I can recall, it was in 1945 between a very prime immortal Ray Robinson vs A real toughie from California, Jimmy McDaniels, who I watched weeks before Koing a great welter prospect Aaron Perry, from Wash. DC, with tremendous body blows. I thought for sure McDaniels, would be to strong for Robinson, but was I mistaken...At the opening bell McDaniels ,went to the body pistonlike, Robinson Tied him up looking at the crowd,with a bored look, til the referey broke up the clinch, and then exploded hooks crosses, uppercuts, with such speed and power and precision the entire crowd was stunned, and McDaniels was out dead to the world.... Please, please, do not put Floyd Mayweather,in the same league as the welterweight Ray Robinson.........

 

Hello again Burt, incredible - damn jealous now - my favourite era bar none - don't suppose you have any old photos in the family albums that anyone took from any of the fights? Plus just out of interest (bit obscure) but did you ever see any fights involving the one-time Welterweight Champ Johnny Bratton? Interested in finding out what I can about him.

See you mentioned Marcel cerdan too - another of my favourites - can't beleive you were there at ringside for these guys - this is amazing - we should be pooling as much info from guys like you - I'll probably message you directly from time to time if I have any burning questions if thats OK but for now - thanks a million and keep the posts and threads coming :happy