How would Duran retiring after Montreal affect his standing?

But Duran fans have their own illogic. They say Duran lost to all the legends in the 1980's because he was our of his prime, but they say he was great when he beat Davey Moore and Iran Barkley when he was older, yet they were not great fighters. A man's prime is not that long, and many fighters win greats fights past thier prime. If all fighters lose all thier a little past prime fights, then you will only rate someone in a two year period. Duran fans use the wins as proof he is great, and the losses are somehow expected. The losses have as much to do with the 1980s as the wins. If he was not great in the 1980's then he should not get much credit for any of it. And the overrating part comes from the fact that Duran fans think he is top 5 ever. I say he is top 25. How can a man who never knocked out an ATG be top 5 ever? And the only ATG he beat was not experienced at the time, and then came back and beat him in two fights easily. I don't think this is uneducation or simple minded. This is using facts and fights. If he was really a top 5 ATG he would have found a way to beat Leonard in the rematch and knock him out and then beat Hearns and Benitez. But he was outclassed. You cannot argue with the facts, and then when those facts come up then Duran was past his prime. So Duran fans make it hard to really rate Duran. So if you rate what you say got him the ATG ranking his lightweight reign, it is no better than other reigns. Duran was greater and more dominant than everyone he fought. Not real ATG fighters at lightweight? Who Buchanan or Dejesus?

 

Hearns was faster than Barkley and greater. The fact Barkley beat him does not make him as skillfil or as great or Douglas would be thought of as great as Tyson. Upsets are great, but it does not mean that if a fighter beats the person who upset a great, he beat that fighter. Fact is Duran was an ATG and he fought and ATG in Hearns. He knew who he was up against and he lost. Beating Barkley does not take away from his loss to Hearns and never did. Barkley gave Duran exactly what he wanted. A fight on the inside with a guy who was slower than Duran and not as great of an inside fighter. Barkley was tailormade for Duran. When the fight was signed I thought, well Duran just was given a title.

 

Oddly enough, I dont think his ranking would change all that much either way... I still think he`d be top 10.

His top 10 ranking, certainly from my point of view comes mostly from his career pre no mas, I judge fighters at their best mainly, of course I count achievements past prime but not as strongly as their best yrs because its not really fair to completely excuse past prime losses but at the same time praise past prime wins, both have to be called fairly.

For any damage that Roberto did himself in past prime losses, he managed to even out or better those by his past prime multiple weight triumphs so all in all.... his ranking wouldnt change THAT much IMO.

 

Believe it or not Hagler was kind of intimidated by Duran thats why he showed him so much respect.

Also I disagree with you Hagler DIDNOT dominate Duran:nonoNo way. I thought it was pretty close or maybe even after 12 rounds

 

Case in point.

 

No. Does it matter?

 

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And here's his fight with Bobby Dykes:

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Robinson vs Fusari:

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Robinson later admitted that he carried Fusari the distance but it's some of the best footage we have of Sugar Ray fighting at welterweight.

The last two rounds of the Robinson-Dykes fight:

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What Duran fans claim is that Duran was only at about 75% of his best in the 1980s, and fighting against bigger younger fighters he still did some good things, but couldn't beat all time greats giving up all that age,size, and weight. Nobody could have beaten Hagler and Hearns giving up what Duran did. Just the age alone was alot. We saw what happened to Leonard the one time in his 30s he tried to fight a primed good ( not great ) fighter in Norris..It wasn't even close.

Give us the list of fighters in their 30s who beat all time greats in 20s in their primes.

People on here like to complain that Duran fans are ridiculous, but the ones who don't take everything into account are the ones out in left field. Duran didn't start boxing in 1980 at 147 as Duran bashers would want you to believe.
I will be waiting for this list.

 

Juan Roldan was 5-7 same height as Duran and he almost stopped Hearns in 1987. Saying no fighter giving up so much can beat another fighter is not true.
Duran was not old when he lost to ATG fighters Benitez and Hearns. He was younger than Floyd was when Floyd fights Shane in May when he fought Hearns. I will give you a fighter who beat an ATG in his 30's. Hearns beat Virgil Hill easily. 30 pounds above his first title weight.
Hearns didn't start boxing until 1991 either. And Hearns beat Virgil over a decision fighting Virgil's fight when Virgil was undefeated. My argument was always that Duran was not a top 5 ATG fighter. I think he is great, but top 25 which is good.

The age aspect of Duran to Hagler was only a little over 2 years, and some would say Hagler lied about his age and was more like Duran's age. So the age part is not relevant. No other fighter gets credit for losing fights or beating guys like Moore or Barkley as much as Duran does. He still lost to all the legends in the 1980's, and what is significant about that is they were the best fighters he ever fought at any weight. He never fought a guy as good as Hearns at lightweight.

 

Well how high do you rate Duran? If you tell me top 5 ATG, then I would be curious as to how? Beating Buchanan and Dejesus. Giving Hagler a good fight but losing at the same time frame easily to Benitez and Hearns? I always talk about this subject on ESB if you go back and read all the posts I have made on this subject since Dec. of 2008 when I joined up here. This is not just a subject I just posted on. Your list just off the top of my head? Hopkins beat Tito. Hearns beat Hill, Foreman would have beaten Tyson in his 40s. If you want to talk size Spinks beat Holmes 1985 and 1986. Something Duran never did, beat an ATG with a size differential. Leonard beat Hagler in 1987 with a size differential. Boxing is full of that stuff. My point was always for Duran to be top 25 ATG then he did what he should of, but for top 5 ATG he should have beaten the legends of the 1980's. He didn't .