Frazier vs Holmes

Ok, so you got Cooney over Frazier, and even money vs Marciano and Dempsey.

 

Not really...... I'm not sure '82 Cooney could beat any of them three dudes....... I'm just saying Cooney has a sluggers chance during the first 4 rds against them........ Plus, Cooney's height of 6' 6" and weight of a solid 225 pounds gets me thinking.....

I know Cooney was wasted by Spinks in 1987, but Cooney was rusty and no longer serious about fighting by that point, so I don't like to take that fight into account here....

Cooney of 1982 would've hammered the light-heavyweight champion Michael Spinks of 1982 had they met in the ring...... Spinks was not physically prepared to be a heavyweight at that time...... Timing is everything there..........

MR.BILL:bbb

 

I saw a 6"6 Cooney as a middleweight and was impressed then I saw him as a light heavyweight get stopped by Johnny Davis TKO for the NY golden glove title. I came away thinking this kid is fragile. Cooney had a hell of a hook to head and body but did not have the frame to weather the storm and it came out in the pro's.

 

Amen bummy!!:good Cooney's fragility colors every assessment I make of him, and figures in every hypothetical matchup that involves him, unless the opposing fighter is either punchless/chinny himself. Getting battered and ko'ed so emphatically by Michael Spinks was unforgivable...great left hook, but no chin or ruggedness at all!! Guys like Gerrie Coetzee would have ko'ed him, and against Tommy Morrison, it would have been a matter of who landed first..either man would have had a chance.

 

Don't even think of what Joe Frazier would have done to Cooney.

 

"We'll you know history proves that Frazier had a weak chin." LOL. You never know, Cooney might have taken him out early if he sneezed on him just right .... LOL ...

Back on Earth. Cooney was always fragile. His handlers had a choice, make money with him or make him a fighter and they choose the money route, plain and simple. I do not know if Cooney's hook was more powerful than Frazier's but I do know Frazier's was much , much better. It was faster, he threw it from more angles (head and body) and he had late round power.

The famous shot is the Lyle body shot and of course the Norton bouts. No doubt Gerrfy was a huge hitter but Frazier was such a supeior fighter I would not say you can compare them as left hookers in any match up.

 

Johnny and Eddie Davis were good light-heavies in the early to mid-80s............... I have Eddie Davis' title challenge to Spinks on tape....... Davis bobbed and weaved while pressing Spinks hard, but Spinks had that jab and jinx going on.... It was a close fight to the max..... Spinks got the nod, but many at ringside thought Davis was butt-shafted....

MR.BILL

 

Who said Frazier had a weak chin?

 

I gotta assume that Cooney at well over 6' + as a middleweight amateur of the 70s had to be lean and gaunt with little to no strength at all........ What was Cooney's diet as an amateur---Bread and Water???

MR.BILL

 

White bread and water ...

 

He had meat on his shoulders beleive it or not, he did not really look frail as a middleweight just young and lean and I saw him stop a 5-0 guy in the finals a 3KD KO in the 1st, impressive. When Davis fought him at 175,Cooney looked frail, he got stopped, wobbled and was getting hit (something like the Holmes stop as I recall)

I also saw a 6"5 Riddick Bowe as a Lightheavy win the NY golden Gloves, he looked good quicker and some good pop in the right hand. I made note but did not like his look as a Super-Heavy,he got slow and hit often

 

The footage your are referring to of Cooney in the GG's exists ... I've seen it and used it ... he was pretty thin but his arms and shoulders looked similar to what they did as a pro .. Cooney was never a strong heavyweight ... always thin .. thin legs, knock knees .. a long, lanky guy ...

 

True

 

I think Larry would stop Frazier late. Here is something to ponder. Norton catches plenty of heat for having a shaky chin vs punchers. Yes--He did. So how come Ali hurt Frazier far more than he hurt Norton?

Kinda of makes you wonder about Frazier over rated defense, and lack of punch resistance vs solid type of hitters who had good accuracy.