Why are you against Olympic style blood testing?

Don't get too hung up on HGH, even Conte is not a fan of it.

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Conte also said, "One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it's by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone," he explained."So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It's an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don't get a very big bang for your buck. I'm not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don't think it's tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance.

 

Christ, you watch too many movies, like Varsity Blues or some **** right? You are not allowed to go off on your own and stick a catheter up your *****. During testing, you are never unsupervised. Serious ****ing facepalm here.

And I was quoting you regarding your quote about the HGH. Christ read some google.

 

Urine while inside the bladder are sterile. Putting somebody elses urine which are now contaminated will definitely get you really sick and unable to train.

 

Actually, the urine injection was mention at the ben johnson inquiry. you have stated why think blood testing is not required but you did not say why it was bad or why you are against it. is there a medical reason why not to take the test a week before hand . . . outside of the fact that all the information you have read totally ignores that a combination of both urine and blood testing is best?

 

Actually I meant to say it was your own urine that was stored not of others sorry.

 

Can you predict the future? If so maybe you can create a drug test that can detect doping drugs you don't know about yet? That was really sarcastic, but its really just silly to demand testing to catch things they may not know about. People love to mention Shane Mosley beating NSAC for years, but fal to say that so did Marion Jones and she was in the Olympics being tested by USADA.

However, that doesn't mean that they can't retroactively go back and re-test once new methods or new cheats are found. Agencies have been known to do this as standard practice.

Btw, the urine testing protocols for the Olympics is WADA's program which is the same for MLB, NFL, NBA and Boxing, well at least for NASC it is according to Kizer. NSAC also follows WADA's banned substance list. WHat this means is NSAC's urine test is equal to the supposed holy grail Olympic urine test.

 

you have stated why you think blood testing is not required but you still have not answered the question why it would be bad even a week before a fight? there is a huge difference.

 

Have you read what I wrote? Blood is used as a screening tool. Why do you want to blood draw people just for shits and giggles when you have to convict them with urine?

 

You seem to know a lot about blood/urine/drug tests.

Is your work related to medicine?

A med-tech, maybe?

 

i'm a big pacman fan moreso than mayweather though i do enjoy watching him fight as well.

so in regards to blood testing im actually in favour of this. BUT! there is a couple things i want to see if it's enacted.

a small number of test over a given period. i.e. 4 times during training camp.

also a cut off point before fight night. they need to recover fully, and taking blood out of someone who is trying to make a hard weight limit might just hurt them.

i don't want blood testing so often. what they should do is make it only a couple times leading up to the fight.

set a number. say, 4 random times. that way a fighter will only be affected potentially 4 times in a 2 month training camp. considering it might also affect the other fighter too, then it's no big deal. if a fighter is severly affected, then i guess he can't do boxing, or at least have to put up with the handicap.

and yeah, taking blood WILL affect some people. i know from personal experience i had to give blood samples and one time i nearly passed out once i left the doctors office. it hit me out of the blue. yet other times i never felt anything. why? who knows.

also it cannot be too regular because these althetes need to do chin ups, lift weights, spar etc. i always take a good few days off the gym after taking blood because i have this gross idea, that if i do a chin up, blood will start squirting outta the hole (and they do say not to lift anything heavy for 24 hours).

naturally elite athletes push their bodies much further.

and finally being a "blood sport", it's bad enough they might lose a lot of blood on fight night, so definitely set a cut off date at least a week before.

seriously, the chances a fighter will take a PED within a week, and cycle it out fully prior to blood testing immediately after the fight is slim. yes, maybe it might be possible, but really it's worth the risk considering the chance of severe blood loss on fight night?

also they can do more random testing during a fighter's off time. basically between fights they can do a couple tests to keep any potential cheaters on their toes. as some cheaters might want to use PED's in the off season to keep in top shape then revert to hard work when in training camp as their body is already at peak efficency.

i think this is a reasonable ask. but doing it mayweather's way of random tests frequently leading up to a fight, is just crazy, health-wise.

 

I am sorry I forgot you are the foremost authority on drug testing. What if you are wrong? the best way to keep the users out of the sport is to constantly improving screening and testing thereby keeping the bad guys guessing on what is known. Once again there are several articles that are circulating by people who know a hell of a lot more about this subject then everyone on this board combined that recommend both random urine and blood testing. so your answer to my question is shits and giggles . . . you heard it here first people.

 

blood samples are collected in cycling all the time,its used to measuere the hematocrit value in the blood, which translates into the body´s ability to transport oxygen, if i recall correctly.

if a cyclist has a value of over 50, he is automatically banned from all competitions for 2 weeks. Its really unusual for anyone to be higher.

the blood samples would fx show fighter x, who has taken 30 blood test, he has through this period always remained quite normal, which is about 40, he suddenly has 50, then that is a clear indication of using epo.

 

You would really need to store a lot. Like I said once its out of you, air is introduced, it's already contaminated. Inserting a catheter is a sterile procedure, old urine needs to be sterilized, cooled down before being reinjected. If you agreed to about 60 **** test, it's impossible to pull it off.