Jeet Kune Do:The Way of the Intercepting Fist. Bruce Lee technique & philosophy VIDS

achillesthegreat · Feb 7, 2010

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MMA fighters train full contact MMA sparring against other MMA fighters, that alone is better training than Lee ever did.

GSP trains with the Olympic wrestling team, Lee never did; Kerr, Koscheck, Lesnar, Coleman, Randleman, and more were all NCAA national wrestling champions, last I checked they train as hard as anybody in sport; Henderson, Erikson, Couture, and Trigg all wrestled for national teams in international competitions or the olympics, again harder than anything Lee did. The dozens of others who made all-American, top 8 in the country, also had to train their ass off every day. Kid Yamamoto was a top prospect for the Olympics in Japan.

Lindland won a silver medal in wrestling, Natsula and Yoshida won a gold medal in Judo, all much harder training than anything Lee ever did. Think about that, do you have any idea how much work is required to win an olympic medal? Any idea?

The Nogueria brothers train with the Cuban national boxing team, Rogerio was the South American amateur boxing champion; yet again harder than anything Lee has ever done.

GSP trains with pro boxers, so does Aleksander Emelieanko, so has BJ Penn, so has Randy Couture, so has Anrdrei Arlovski; there were a lot of pro boxers in Bruce's day, why didn't he ever train with them? Too hard?

Sergei Kharitanov was a bronze medalist in the pan Asian games in boxing.

BJ Penn, Demian Maia, Dean Lister, Ricardo Arona, Pe de Pano, Werdum, Gonzaga, and I'm sure I am forgetting some where all world champions in BJJ.

Fedor was 3rd in Russia in Judo; and multiple time world champion in Sambo; do you have any idea how hard you have to train in Judo to get 3rd in the entire nation of Russia? Any idea?

Vale Tudo was alive and well in Bruce Lee's life time, he was aware of it, he chose not to fight in it; if he thought he was the best fighter there were plenty of people willing and ABLE to show him otherwise, he knew better.

We can give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he just didn't know enough about BJJ to train hard in it; but Judo, Wrestling, and Boxing have always been the gold standard in combat athletics, yet Bruce never even once seriously tried to accomplish anything in any of them; he won one minor event in Hong Kong in boxing that nobody knows the name of, big deal.

So say all you want about MMA, make all the assumptions about what Bruce Lee would have done, but we do know what he did not do, he did not work nearly as hard as any single one of the fighters I listed.

If he really wanted to be a great fighter, he would have put some real work in Judo, Wrestling, or Boxing; he never did.

So don't tell me about how much harder he worked than MMA fighters, because that is a bunch of ****, he never actually followed through with anything, he never once put himself to the real tests available, he never once did what it takes to call himself a fighter, let alone the best fighter.

So regarding your point that he could have "been the best in anything he wanted to" there are only two answers when you look at the facts

Either
1) He tried and failed because he was not good enough or did not work hard enough

or

2) He didn't want to be a fighter, because he never even tried.

Either way, you are full of ****, because he has nothing on any of the men listed who did the things you claim Bruce could have done.
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I am a big Bruce fan but not because I believe he is the godfather of MMA.

In response to this post, Beebs just laid the smackdown.

don owens · Feb 7, 2010

Achilles, THANK YOU. The truth spoken. Lee people never want to hear it. He was not a fighter. Norris would have beaten him if they had ever fought. and Norris wasnt that good. a tournament guy mainly. a case of being in the right place at the right time. Bill Wallace, undefeated kickboxing champion for a number of years, would have humiliated Lee. Really a long list of people in different fields would have beat him. as you have made clear, he really did not put himself in the arena to be tested. great post.

sugarngold · Feb 11, 2010

achillesthegreat said: ↑

I am a big Bruce fan but not because I believe he is the godfather of MMA.

In response to this post, Beebs just laid the smackdown.
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Not really - I've answered every point Beebs brings up in this post in this thread already and I'm a bit tired of going over the same points again and again with someone that has more belligerence and free time than I do. The point of this thread is about sharing knowledge of the martial arts and I truly have no desire to share knowledge with individuals that think they know everything there is to know and close their minds to other avenues. I've trained with every kind of martial artist that I encounter. If others don't care to follow that philosophy I don't care to convert them.

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