Sonny Liston, why is he ranked so highly?

maybe the Nation of Islam threatened to kill him if he didn't throw the Ali fights...:? we'll never know

 

Shavers fought better competition, Vitali is a rangier fighter with better stamina, a more utilized jab in a division against motionless slobs.

Liston is supposedly more accurate, a better puncher, and with better technique. Yet Foreman who fought bigger, stronger, more durable competition AND fought in two of Heavyweights golden ages has a higher KO percentage WHILE fighting 30 more times than Liston while fighting WELL into his 40's just so happens to not hit harder than Liston.

I think the overwhelming of evidence supports my case that Foreman was more powerful.

No no no... I'm not disputing what you said. I'm just saying you might be confusing a quote. My source comes from Facing Ali. I don't doubt yours, I'm sure that happened. Besides Foreman was a novice. Marshall beat Liston, does that get held against him. Foreman being a kid sparring with an Ex-Heavyweight shouldn't mean too much. Unless we think Foreman is very great... although he doesn't get treated that way.

You mean Liston?

I admit Liston had superior stamina. Although Foreman's seemed to have been testing a bit more. The draining Saddler made him do certainly didn't help. We may never really know.

Young and Bugner aren't superheavyweights. But they are bigger than the typical Liston comp... and bigger than those slicksters you refer to. They're near-superheavyweights... I guess Bugner is at 6'4 225.

Of course you are. You rank him #3 or 4. I say a 65 Liston vs Young could be a 50/50 fight. Maybe I'll favor Liston. I guess I'm not sure Young beats him. But it's not a surprise. He was a good fighter.

Machen was a good fighter. But he's smaller, and not really better than Young. Ingo KOed him in 1 round. And lopsided decision based on what cards?

 

Maybe. But from what we know he doesn't deserve a top 5 ranking.

 

It's a barometer. But the overwhelming of evidence favors Foreman. Everybody has a bad early comp, yet Liston couldn't KO many fighters. Why? Better opposition. No.

That's just crazy talk. Young fought in a better era and arguably beat Norton and Ali.

4 and 2 points aren't lopsided decisions.

 

He didn't hit as hard.

And Eddie Machen was KOed in 1 round to Ingo. Norton and Ali are better than both. Both were debatable decisions. Young did beat Lyle twice and Foreman. Machen is not a better fighter. Who did he really beat to prove so?

Wow McGrain, you're losing it. I guess I can't get the most lopsided judge decision for a close fight and then claim it's a lop-sided fight by combining all scorecards.

Ali won a 16 point total over 15 rounds against Young. Lopsided decision.

 

He wasn't KOing the non-bodies. Foreman was, it has nothing to do with competition.

Not DeJohn or Baker for me, but the you could say the other names are. But they are no where near the threat Lyle is for both Foreman and Liston, and I'm sure Lyle beats those guys more often than not.

That's true. Luckily Liston fought Machen and not someone like Young.

 

Not so sure about that. I could see Walcott, Tunney, out slick and hurt Sonny also Ezzard could handle him and Archie has a chance. I am not so sure what Sonny would do when frustrated based on the Ali fights

 

yea but count how many times Patterson went down on his ass and one of them was against a pro debut Pete Rademaker 0-0-0