j.frazier vs sonny liston

it was never a secret that joe frazier was kept away from sonny.sonny would've crushed joe exactly the same way george foreman did

 

:nut

Nobody fought the aging Liston. It was a high risk no reward situation for an up and coming fight. Frazier getting crushed by a 35 year old Liston requires a little bit of faith.

 

I think it would have helped Fraziers legacy to have patterson and liston on his resume. If frazier had beat these as well as foster and ali (like he did) fraziers career would have matched marcianos achievements- especialy had he retired before fighting foreman!

Maybe cloverlay were playing it safe, i dont know but these fights were not made or saught in the same way jacobs saught holmes for tyson. maybe they did not happen because safer fight could be made for as much money?

A lot of fans asume liston was capable of anything foreman did but i think this is lazy. Firstly frazier never was the same after the first ali fight so foeman did not beat anything like the guy who ellis and ali met. remember george could not ko peralta (who was kod by pastrano) but could ko frazier after joe had been through the war with ali.

Secondly, how many guys who hit as hard as frazier did foreman fight?

Thirdly, if joes philly counter part could ace Liston why not the dadddy of the philly gyms himself?

Basicly i would like more people to asses the "pre ali" joe frazier when assesing his strengths. At that point only bonanvena hurt him and he outstrengthed a guy liston should have fought -chuvalo. Liston blew away patterson and people get carried away. ingo had already softened floyds resisitance so sonny benefited from some of the same kudos george enjoyed when he beat frazier.
its entirely speculation but I go for frazier. thats who my money would be on.

 

Frazier '67 stops Liston '67.

 

................

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Liston was simply too slow for a young and smoking Joe Frazier. Frazier by early knock out.

Woller

 

maybe liston became "mister who needs him?" once he was an exchamp but the record shows he was beaten by the next rated guy he fought and joe bugner did a beter job on wepner than liston did after all.

either liston seriously faded or he was never quite the monster he was built up to be.

 

Sonny would be too much for Joe...in my opinion.

 

Frazier would be hitting Liston with a lot more than this:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EotRG1D9Tk[/ame]

 

that was a good win but didnt clarke draw with brian london about the same time? london was tough but never did win when he steped up in class.

 

according to the ring annual ratings clark did not register until 1974 but i accept at 15-3-1 he was a on a good run at the time he fought liston and perhaps he might have popped into a monthly list in 68'. martin made the annual list at the time he fought liston and the previous year.

 

Prime for prime Sonny Liston would have been a nightmare for Joe Frazier,in a similar way that George Foreman was. In the time that you're talking about,however,Joe rides out the opening storm from the ageing Liston and stops Sonny in the middle/late rounds.