Has Harry Wills been airbrushed out of history?

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think there were any terrific black fighters around though.
     
  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Janitor, at that time I was a youth,watching all these great fighters a shoulder away from me....I had heard about Harry Wills before, but did not know much about him from an historical perspective, as I do now....Besides16 or 17 year old then ,I was awed by these famous boxers, and observed rather than talked....Tis a pity that youth is wasted on the young.......
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Morlocks, Funny,you should mention John Henry Lewis,former great Light Heavyweight champion, who was kod by the Brown Bomber in 1939....As ayoung boy my family lived next door to one of John Henry Lewis's trainors...That is where I developed my life long love of boxing...He would make me a boy of 8 or 9 years old spar with Lewis's stablemates, who would be in his apartment almost nightly...Made me eat salads and oil every supper, a lifelong habit since...I never saw John Henry visit, but would hear stories about him from my father....Lewis retired in 1939, after his friend Joe Louis Ko,d him in one round...Lewis was virtually blind by then.....
     
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    bull****! as many as there are now.
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    great story and terrific experience:good
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Probably more at heavyweight.
     
  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Such as?

    I agree that the amount of terrific black fighters then is the same as now. One or two at best.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I sure do agree with you.

    Leroy Haynes, Lorenzo Pack, Jack Trammell, Tiger Jack Fox, Lee Q Murray, Curtis Shepard...these are the top black fighters of Louis's era and none of them really became firmly established as #1. Having said that, Louis fought weaker white fighters.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Lee Q Murray is a guy who might have established himself as an outstanding challenger with better conections.

    Perhaps comparable to sombody like Lou Nova when he was the #1 challenger.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd say he was arguably better than Nova. Certainly the stand-out from those boys.
     
  11. janitor

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    A bit of clever matchmaking could have done wonders for him.

    Put him in with some of the top white contenders who had the style to suit him (excluding Bob Pastor obviously) and you could have built him up.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm seeing a lot of "could have" and "might" in these iron clad arguments regarding the paucity of black challengers to Louis. There weren't any decent white challengers mid-80's to mid-90's... **** happens.
     
  13. janitor

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    I don't think that the black challengers of Louis's era enjoyed anything like a level playing field.

    If all of them had been white then I suspect that at least a couple more would have fought Louis.

    A white Elmer Ray or Le Q Murray would ahve been a promotors dream.

    Even a white Curtis Shepard would have put bums on seats.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's because he was in the military when most of what terrific black fighters there were were at their peaks. Before the war, the vast majority of HW contenders (including all #1 contenders) were white. After the war, the #1 contenders in succession were Conn, then Mauriello, then Walcott, and Louis fought them in exactly that order.


    Now? :lol: That would be ZERO.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    The Morlocks is a horrifically bad and ******ed poster.