Roy Jones Jr vs Jim Jeffries

Sorry, I must have been a bit unclear; let me rephrase.

From what I can see, the old Corbett who sparred with Tunney was about the same size/weight as the Corbett who sparred with McCoy, who was in turn about the same size/weight as the Corbett who fought Courtney. The advantage of the Tunney / Corbett footage is that you can see Corbett standing next to Tunney (a champion from long after Corbett's era of "small" heavyweights), and the footage is really clear.

If you prefer, look at Corbett's footage when he was in his prime (Courtney fight, Fitzsimmons fight). He's the same size there as in the Tunney footage. Corbett was a bigger fighter than Jones regardless of the film you use, but the Tunney footage just adds some extra perspective.

 

I wonder if this should lift Sharkey's status instead of decrease Jeffries'.

 

So you think the size and strength difference, Jeffries crouching style, his pressure, power and rushes won't play any role in there and only Jones speed does?

You still believe a poll means anything? Most people on here are fanboys and Jones has one of the biggest fanbases. If it would be Jones-Louis he would win the poll too.

 

Then why didn the scales consistently say that Corbett weighed around 185lbs?

Anyway, it's a moot point. I think we can agree that Jones and Corbett are very similar in size.

 

I agree but I think they wouldn't be if they would have fought in the same time. Corbett has naturally heavier built. If Jones would have fought in the early 1900s, he would never have weighed in around 190 pounds not even at 175 pounds. Imho Jones was a naural smw who pulked up to lhw. Back the he would be around 165 pounds I think.
On the other hand Corbet would probably be a solid 200 pounder if he would be around today.
Speculation I know but I hink there are some indications for it.

 

It would have done if Sharkey had not been stopped twice early by Fitz, who was robbed of victory in their first fight by a crooked referee Wyatt Earp.
The fact that Fitz did the trick twice,in 8rds and then 2rds, may also be a pointer regarding the comparative power of Jeffries [, who was taken 45rds by Sharkey in their two fights], and Fitz.

 

I am not fan of Jones and voted for Jeffries to win late, but I am trying to be objective here.

 

i don't like either jones or jeffries but jones was a great fighter and jeffries beat middle-weights:huh

 

Use your reason. If there is 25 or 20 rounds, you don't press it early. No one runs a longer race at a faster pace. When boxing switched from 15 round to 12 rounds, we saw faster starts at heavyweight...if you can remember. The only 15 round saying used to go, the fight doesn't start until round 3. Imagine if its a 20 or 25 round affair?

When Jeffries skills caught up to his athletic gifts, he didn't need 15 rounds.You are underestimating Jeffreis speed and skills by a country mile here. Read what the people who saw or researched him had to say.

Another of tangent topic is would Roy Jones take this fight? I tend to doubt he would.

 

I wish this was a public vote, so we can see who voted for who.

 

I have to tell you that weights quoted in that period are notoriously unreliable.

Fighters generaly weighed themselves and quoted whatever weight suited them. It would only be challenged if their opopnent queried it, and this would normaly only happen if there was some doubt that a fighter had made the weight limit for that class.

The weights listed for Sullivan for example are so disperate that some of them must be pure fantasy.

 

Your definition of middleweight seems to include anybody under 200 lbs.