I swear this is my last Haye Adamek thread

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by conkers, Feb 9, 2010.


  1. conkers

    conkers Member Full Member

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    I'm fully aware that fans enjoy discussing potentially exciting matchups and their possible outcomes, but I think when these fights have very little chance of occurring a reality check is needed.

    This fight is not happening, he is so far off Haye's radar it's farcical that people think this will occur. Haye wants to fight the Klitschko's (if the deal is right) if this is not possible he will simply take the highest reward/lowest risk fights available.

    Haye reputedly earned £4m for Valuev fight 7 times what he was due for wlad fight. He has now virtually sold out 20k arena for Ruiz of all people. How many people are coming to see Ruiz? He doesnt need great fights to sell PPV or tickets because he now transcends the sport in Britain.

    If Adamek beats Arreola he needs to take his Klitschko beating/cashout and then retire or go back to CW because Haye is not happening. I suppose he could become Haye's mandatory and then wait for his shot how long would this take 2/3 years, and theres no guarantee Haye would be champion.

    If Adamek HW masterplan is to get a HW title shot against a fighter who is a very small heavyweight then the plan is massively flawed, especially when the titlist in question has little pressure to fight Adamek. Haye could ignore Adamek for 2/3 years and receive zero criticism from british public who will be paying his wages in next few years.

    As for this theory that it's a massive fight because so many poles live in Britain. They came to britain to earn money not spend it and are mainly young guys. If they buy the PPV there will be 20 of them squeezed into a lounge paying £15 between them not too great for PPV.

    If it was in a football stadium and it sold as suggested in earlier posts then 50k English and 20k Polish attending a highly charged sporting event where 1 set of fans will inevitably be dissapointed is a headache the promoters could do without.

    Finally Adamek is a high quality fighter who is smaller than Haye. If Haye fights him it's a terrible risk to his giantkiller reputation that is now so often mentioned in the mainstream press. It would be more harmful to his reputation to lose to Adamek than if he lost to some big lump with 10% of Adameks talent.

    SUMMARY

    IT'S NOT HAPPENING
     
  2. time

    time Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good reasoning
     
  3. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Adamek beats Arreola dont be surprised to see HBO trying to make this fight happen. It makes all the financial sense in the world as the fight will sell like mad anywhere. It would sell much better than the proposed Haye-Hopkins and it would actually accomplish something for the HW division. It would also put an end to Haye's cherry picking campaign at HW.
    The winner of this could fight the Klitschkos. Im sick of seeing underserving tittle shots with opponents who have taken the easy route fail miserably against the Klits.
     
  4. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    haye would beat the **** out of adamek! i wanna see vitali get pissed and tear the shouty cockney halfwit a new arsehole! not adamek v haye. adamek v dawson 2 would be interesting.
     
  5. conkers

    conkers Member Full Member

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    I agree that amongst boxing enthusiasts Adamek-Haye would be more anticipated than Haye-Hopkins. I don't particularly want to see Haye-Hopkins but a lot of people would be intrigued by it, can he become oldest HW champ? Can he make the huge jump in weight?.

    But if you think the Adamek fight would do better for TV I have to disagree It is the casual fan that make up the big numbers.

    In Britain unless you are Polish or post on here you've not heard of Adamek, whereas Hopkins is one of the very few non british fighters to have any sort of recognition amongst casual sports fans.

    Are you saying that in America there would be more interest in Adamek than Hopkins. I don't live there so I wont argue with you but if this is true this is astonishing to me.

    obviously in Poland it would be hugely popular but if it's millions watching on free to air TV wheres the money coming from.
     
  6. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Adamek has a large following in places of polish heritage, like Chicago and North Jersey. A fight with David Haye in Madison Square or in Germany would sell out in a matter of hours.
     
  7. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell yeah. Hopkins' style is anathema to entertainment. Adamek has been outselling him for awhile, at least in the arenas. In Britain this would undoubtedly sell like hotcakes considering the large amount of Poles there. In New York, its a guaranteed sell out. If Adamek beats Arreola he will have all the momentum he needs to entice most casual people to watch on TV. Who in their right minds would watch Hopkins over Adamek? Of course, a lot of Haye fans would be bitter as hell if Haye risks anything before the Klit fights. Expect them to be extremely opposed to this matchup (making up dumb theories that Adamek would have no chance) and in favour of the Haye-Hopkins fight instead, which is meaningless at HW.
     
  8. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the basis of his fight with Valuev, I think Haye would **** in his pants and start running again.
     
  9. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i disagree with the thread starter. haye himself said that if adamek can get the interest of US or UK TV, then he wouldn't rule it out. so how is there "no chance" of it happening? adamek's next fight is likely an HBO date vs chris arreola. and if adamek wins it, he has avery god chance of fighting david haye.

    it's natural to link the 2 fighters as they are cruiser champs who moved up to heavyweight.

    of course haye wants the K2 bros. however, wlad has 2 tough mandos - chambers and povetkin. even if he wins both, he is busy for the year...vitali appears to be cashing it out, vs the man haye beat, valuev; he has a history of injury and won't be around much longer, and perhaps doesn't want to deal with haye.

    neither adamek nor haye have had an HBO main event, this is where they want money from (especially adamek, but haye isn't going to say no to a hefty licence fee to show his fight). it's adamek who's fighting on HBO next, not haye. haye has a heavyweight title, and he's done well. but i doubt haye-ruiz is going to get on HBO. whereas adamek has a decent chance to upstage hate, if of course he beats the much bigger arreola.

    so this thread could be completely dead, in about 6 weeks time. apr 24, adamek-arreola, on HBO's Boxing After Dark.
     
  10. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    how can you say Haye cherry picked Barrett and Valuev compared to Adamek with Golota and Estrada.

    In all honesty Golota is the only cherry picked fight Haye and Adamek have taken :smoke
     
  11. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    after watching Adameks last fight... i dont think so:good
     
  12. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what was wrong with adamek's last fight? a brisk, learning 12 rounds...the great thing about adamek is he fights so frequently for a world champion. so in about 5 weeks, he could have ppl "shitting themselves."

    also, haye is getting a bit too much stick. ok he wasn't exciting but he did negate valuev before hurting him at the end.

    adamek has an exciting dance partner in arreola. whatever happens, it should be a thrilling fight. if adamek wins, he has made inroads with HBO, the biggest paymaster in the sport.
     
  13. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adamek could become Haye's mando in less than one year, if he wanted to. That's really up to his team, and the WBA.

    Otherwise, if they want to make it a voluntary defence, Haye has already said that Adamek should build up his name in the US if he wants to face Haye. Adamek is doing that by beating US Olympian Estrada, and now targetting Arreola, the biggest name on the US HW scene.

    And don't forget, Adamek has fought in Britain before on several occasions. Boxing fans there have definitely heard of him.

    If Adamek can beat Cris, then I think we have ourselves a fight.
     
  14. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey buddy...

    How many poles are their in england... A **** load

    How many english like a mans figther..... all of them


    To be honest, i think the english will like adamek more than haye and root for him, because he is more of an englishmans fighters

    Haye is a boxer, extremely talented, big mouth, bad chin, and big power

    Adamek is a fighter, extremely tough, iron chin, big power, unbeatable heart

    I honestly think brits will side with adamek.... He is more of a britsh fighter than haye, even though he was not born there :good
     
  15. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adamek has Arreola lined up next. Anything else you want to say?