Anyone can be KO'd ? YES or NO ?

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a statue of Gunnar Bärlund the Finnish HW contender. :good

    I guess Oliver McCall could claim that he can never be KO'd. Supposedly sparred with a prime Mike Tyson numerous times and was never even down. He's well over 40 years old now and still hasn't been down.
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    That something has never happened is no proof that it could never happen.

    Otherwise, we could safely assume that Calzaghe was unbeatable.

    And most would never agree to that proposition now, would we ?
     
  3. Bummy Davis

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    Anyone can be stopped with some it will take more than one punch but sometimes a good offence will help keep them at bay but even Ali was lucky vs Cooper that it was near rds end and with Frazier RD 15 that Joe was spent. Marciano came back punching and JJW went into the defensive mode and Archie did the same. Foreman was almost out vs Lyle ( who really was not an elite puncher) but George had the pedigree. Louis was down a few times but never really hurt and Dempsey down vs Firpo and Tunney but Firpo became target practice and Tunney got back on the bike. Lets put it this way if you get hurt against a puncher/finisher like Joe Louis 90% of the fighters are not going to survive.
     
  4. TheGreatA

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    However Calzaghe has been beaten in amateur competition and the opponents he fought aren't quite as stern a test as the likes of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Frank Bruno were to McCall.

    McCall claims to have never been down in professional or amateur competition or even sparring after a 20+ year career.
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    The specifics aren't my point.

    It's the general principle that states:

    Because something has never happened, it can't happen.

    This, I dispute.

    Otherwise, as I've mentioned, we could state with certainty that Joe Calzaghe was unbeatable as a pro boxer.

    Ollie had a great chin, maybe the greatest.

    Certainly one of them.

    But IMO, the perfectly timed and perfectly landed shot, that he didn't see coming, from a sledge-hammer hitter, simply puts him out.

    It's just physiology.

    Got **** all to do with boxing.




    And as far as KDs go, I don't rate them as direct measures of chin. There are other ways to get KDd than by getting stunned.


    In the right circumstances and balance sutuation, Pac could knock down McCall.

    If that happened, I just know that it would have had nothing to do with Ollie's chin.:yep
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    However we're talking about a fighter who closes his eyes when he punches/gets punched, has poor balance and is not exactly a great defensive fighter. Yet he has never been down in a 20+ year career during which he has faced many punchers.
     
  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was certainly unique.


    I hear he might be making a comeback.
     
  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say he's making a comeback. He has been fighting all along. He won 3 fights in 2009 and is set to fight next week.
     
  9. Arriba

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    I think the discussion goes from a chin discussion to a discussion about the recouperative powers of a fighter. I agree with the premise (anyone can be KO'd) but feel it ranges more towards the recuperative strengths of a fighter than his chin.
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    I think a bigger issue over chin is whether or not the boxer sees the punch coming. If he does, he has a much better chance of absorbing it's impact than if he doesn't.
     
  11. BlueApollo

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    Bute and Mosley have shaken my faith recently. I really thought Margo and Andrade were almost bulletproof.
     
  12. Sister Sledge

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    Yes, Marlon Starling vs Tomas Molinares is a prime example. Starling had a granite chin, and was putting a beating on Molinares, and he ran into a perfect punch after the bell had rung, and he was counted out. With this being said, Corrie Sanders is still not as big a puncher than Tua, and W. Klit still has a weak chin.
     
  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    :nono
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You better back off, my man.

    Or I'll start fantasizing 'bout all three of them hotties.


    At the moment, I'm only contemplating the two on the right, outta respect.
     
  15. Sister Sledge

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    :lol::rofl Alright, now. I'm gonna cyberstalk you to death!