Primes: Evander Holyfield vs. Floyd Patterson

You really like to twist words around, don't you McGrain? :yep

 

Holyfield floored Mercer but I'm not so sure if it was a great display of punching power or anything. Mercer went down on his own to prevent Holyfield from landing any follow-up punches. It's not like Holyfield came close to stopping him at any point in the fight.

Evander had some displays of punching power but also some displays where it seemed like he wasn't much of a puncher at heavyweight. Alex Stewart took Holyfield's best while Tyson and Moorer knocked Stewart out, he attempted to overpower Bowe in the first fight but Bowe wouldn't budge, he couldn't dent Foreman or Holmes and threw a million uppercuts in order to get Bert Cooper out of there. Moorer with his suspect chin survived the distance in their first fight, former middleweight Czyz was able to take his punch surprisingly well, the unknown Vaughn Bean went all 12 rounds, John Ruiz was the one who scored the only knockdown in their trilogy.

He had routine stoppages over washed up Thomas and Tillis where he threw punches in bunches to make the referee stop the one-sided onslaught. Dokes showed up in surprising condition but seemed to wear down as the fight went on, leading up to the stoppage. If Patterson had a glass jaw then Adilson Rodrigues must have had no chin at all, he lost 7 fights and all 7 by clean KO's. Douglas was caught with a nice counter right hand after throwing a wild uppercut but the Douglas who fought Tyson would have surely got up from that. It took Holyfield numerous pin-point accurate blows to stop a wilting Tyson and the always suspect Moorer kept getting up despite being put down time and time again in their rematch.

I guess I'm just not as impressed with his power as others are. Not that he couldn't stop Patterson but I don't think it's a given.

 

No.

 

His durability is not "underrated," and what people on this forum say about his chin is no different than what has always been said by everyone even in his own day.

He had three very quick and ultra embarrassing KO losses while right at his peak, and he was consistently floored by average contenders that had no business even being in title fights. He probably suffered more KDs than any HW titlist ever, and that's despite having one of the more protected reigns of any lineal champ. If he ever was particularly durable, it wasn't as a HW.

 

Words of the English language. I don't know what you do with other languages.

It's just an argumentative style. A lot of the times it makes good points. You usually take a statement, and then try to take the opposite of that and ask it in question form.

Like when Magoo talked about how there are factors to why Ali Koed Foreman and Bonavena. You went on thinking those factors downplay Ali's power and or punching ability. Magoo thinks Holyfield could do this in the same case, but since he's trying to examine the context surrounding how the events happen you think he's discrediting what Ali did by thinking Holyfield could do the same.

He's right, too, in a sense. Ali landed a perfectly placed punch. It was in the 15th round, obviously there was so accumulation. At the same time, Ali breaking rule infractions obviously helped him score this KO. With Foreman... it was a case of stamina.

Who would've believed Foreman could ever be knocked down against Jimmy Young if they didn't know Foreman was gassed out or dead tired. Take out his fights against Ali and Young and watch every other fight. I don't think anyone would come to that conclusion.

I learned a long time ago that splitting up individual quotes makes it easier to dissect through an argument. It also makes it easier to shift the argument in the direction the questionnaire wants. You do this, and you do it with your style. Which generally twists things around for your own benefit. It's not a big deal... just how your mind works I guess.

 

Yes it is. He was knocked out by wo all-time great punchers, according to the ring, and sopped by tthe greates himself. Tyson was stopped as often by inferior fighters. Nobody talks about Tyson beeing not durable. Beeing floored does not indicate a weak chin. Him getting floored was mostly due to having a bad balance, mostly in his early career, and some sorft of "stage fever" - somebody posted an article on this on here, interesting read. That's no bad chin.

 

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Moorer with his suspect chin survived the distance in their first fight, former middleweight Czyz was able to take his punch surprisingly well, the unknown Vaughn Bean went all 12 rounds, John Ruiz was the one who scored the only knockdown in their trilogy.

He had routine stoppages over washed up Thomas and Tillis where he threw punches in bunches to make the referee stop the one-sided onslaught. Dokes showed up in surprising condition but seemed to wear down as the fight went on, leading up to the stoppage. If Patterson had a glass jaw then Adilson Rodrigues must have had no chin at all, he lost 7 fights and all 7 by clean KO's. Douglas was caught with a nice counter right hand after throwing a wild uppercut but the Douglas who fought Tyson would have surely got up from that. It took Holyfield numerous pin-point accurate blows to stop a wilting Tyson and the always suspect Moorer kept getting up despite being put down time and time again in their rematch.

I guess I'm just not as impressed with his power as others are. Not that he couldn't stop Patterson but I don't think it's a given.[/quote]

 

Got to watch those Scots treacherous they are, turn your back and they are tumbling over the border ,faces painted blue, shouting ,Freedom!
Remember Culloden!

 

What was more impressive?

The way Holyfield stopped Tyson.

Or the way Ali Koed Foreman?

In terms of punching power, how it happened, and the opponents durability.

 

I think that was a great display of punch resistance by Foreman more so than a display of punching power by Holyfield. Evander was throwing everything he had at Foreman yet Foreman just stood there and took all of it.

 

And stood up the whole time,including between rounds .

 

Ali KO'd a peak Foreman with a single combination in the 8th round, the only time Foreman was ever stopped in his career.

Holyfield stopped an out of jail Tyson on his feet after landing numerous combinations in the 11th round, Tyson was stopped 5 times.