Bob Foster VS Nikolay Effin' Valuev - 2008 - WBA Heavyweight Title - Take That

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  1. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Bob Foster of the Ali fight VS Nikolay Valuev of the Holyfield fight.

    There, I said it. I'm sorry if this puts us both into an even more awkward and uncomfortable position, but I don't care. I don't care anymore. It's me and Bob, back to back, fighting the world. Let the chips fall where they may, people. We have nothing to lose, bring it on. The stick figure of dynamite VS the Russian Sasquatch.

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  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Zero against any reasonable version of Louis. He would do the same Frazier did to him just faster.
     
  3. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    bob was a top 3 light heavy but against bomber joe he would take the count
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A LHW that likes to mix it up like Foster would stand no chance.
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Answer to thread title - 0
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    What the hell are you on about?
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wrong Style for Foster....Louis makes it quick
     
  8. Boxed Ears

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    Isn't zero a bit overkill, Bill? If Galento can put Louis on his ass, I have to think Bob can and if you can put a man on his ass, you've got at least some chance. If Schmeling can knock Louis out, I have to think Bob has at least a chance. Bob was jabbing with Ali pretty well, and if you can jab with Ali, you can jab with the best of them, pretty much. And if Conn can give Louis trouble, I've got to believe Foster can give him trouble too. Now, that said, let's take this time to remind ourselves I didn't bother saying "Who would win?'' I just said "What are Bob's Chances?" and while I don't think they're too good, I don't see how they could be zero. Every once in a while Douglas beats Tyson, Flynn beats Dempsey, and you can probably name a lot of others. :D
     
  9. Stevie G

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    Any of those versions of Louis would get the job done no later than the third round. Foster could n't hack it with even moderate heavies,let alone the cream,like Ali,Frazier or,hypothetically,Joe Louis.
     
  10. Boxed Ears

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    The size difference would've been much less though too. Ali outweighed Foster by 41 pounds. Frazier, though shorter than Louis, outweighed Bob by about 20. The Louis that Schmeling knocked out would've been only ten pounds heavier than the Foster that fought Frazier. That Schmeling actually would've been only four pounds heavier than Foster was for Frazier. And, it should also be mentioned that Louis didn't cut the ring off like Joe Frazier did.
     
  11. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When I look at what Ernie Terrell and Doug Jones did to stop Bob, I just can't see how he manages to survive for any length of time against Joe. He lacked the mobility, strength and punch necessary to defeat world class heavyweights, even relatively smaller ones like Jones. (Bob's chin was not even impervious at 175 when at his peak, as DePaula demonstrated when Foster got cocky. Bob said, "Ali couldn't bust a grape!" That doesn't say good things about his ability to take a shot, as Muhammad bounced him like a basketball.)
     
  12. Boxed Ears

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    Okay, point taken but I started the thread as much to play devil's advocate for fun as anything. But Bob hadn't come into his own by that point had he? He fought Jones as a 9-0 fighter. He fought Terrell with a 14-2 record. Was he anywhere near the boxer puncher he'd become? He was so vastly inexperienced as a pro compared to the first three guys he lost to, Jones, Mina and Terrell. Not to good a matchmaking from his camp, was it? Can we compare that Bob to prime Bob?
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While I have fun playing the devil's advocate role as much as anybody, it's really challenging for me to make a case for Bob here.

    It's kind of tricky when evaluating Foster, if we factor in his boxing background. While competing in the USAF, he was also a coach, and one of his students was Doug Jones. While he may have been lacking in professional experience early on, the level of knowledge and maturity he possessed at that point had to exceed that of most 9-0 fighters considerably. He was already 24 years old when he took on his former pupil, and he had just dropped and decisioned the super seasoned veteran Bert Whitehurst. He was 26 when Terrell beat him, and 27 when Folley took him to school. He was already 30 when he dethroned Tiger.

    Actually, I think Bob is an excellent example of why I think a minimum age for consenting to be punched in the head as competition might be appropriate. He made a mature adult decision to box, so his brain wasn't still developing when he took up the sport. He was thus able to begin winning at a championship level at an age when the Quarry boys were finished, and enjoy a law enforcement career after boxing while those poor fellows were dead and buried.

    In any event, Bob was never able to compete with world class heavyweights, not when he was young, nor when an experienced champion. He didn't have the chin, ruggedness or mobility, and his punch wasn't really a world class heavyweight knockout blow.

    For a light heavyweight to deal with Joe, he'd either have to be a mobile cutie like Loughran, Conn or Pastrano, or somebody who could get under him, crowd him and move him back, a tank like Tiger or Qawi. (Ike handled himself surprisingly well against the lightest version of old Foreman to step in the ring while hideously overweight himself. In peak condition under 175, he might have surprised Louis.)
     
  14. round15

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    The only way Bob Foster survives Joe Louis is by jabbing, moving, countering and not standing and trading with him. I think he's capable of doing what Billy Conn did to Louis before he got careless but it likely doesn't happen. Foster would try to land hard shots with less movement and wouldn't be able to withstand Joe's power by standing and trading with him. He could last a couple of rounds, due his height and reach, but I'd bet on Joe stopping him within 5.
     
  15. mcvey

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    This is true but neither hit like Louis and he did it with both hands.Louis early, Foster is a great LHVY, but could not hack it against good heavyweights,and Louis was a great one.