Ned O'Baldwin, the Irish giant.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is a guy who isn’t talked about much today even by fans of his era.

    Ned O’Baldwin (The Irish Giant) was a contender of the 1860s and 1870s who was heavily hyped during his career and remembered for a while after it. He was 6’ 5’’ 200 lbs and purportedly fast and agile for his size. He was matched twice to fight Jem Mace for the title, once in the UK and once in America. On both occasions the fight fell through due to police interference.

    On at least the second occasion O’Baldwin was installed as the betting favourite. Mike Donovan contended that O’Baldwin was the greatest living heavyweight, prior to the rise of John L Sullivan. It is also interesting, that during Jim Jeffries career he was sometimes compared to O’Baldwin in terms of his combination of size and speed.

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    O’Baldwin had a violent temper and was often in court as a result. He was jailed for armed robery after he threatened to bludgeon a stakeholder. He died after being shot by his business partner, with whom he co-owned a saloon, after an altercation.
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lot of borderline psychotics get into boxing. Reminds me of Ketchel.

    Looks to be more then 200 pounds there too. Look at his thighs.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I was extrapolating his weight from a contemporary paper that said he was 3 stone heavier than Jem Mace.

    Perhaps he was the firs super heavyweight.

    And yes he was a borderline psychotic.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    gay.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did he have a rough upbringing that left him ****ed up or what? :huh
     
  7. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    The 1800's Paul Sykes, eh?

    Btw, O'Baldwin wasn't the only violent man of the era before the 1900's. Mike Hannessey and Tom Allen and others were known for their violent streaks as well.
     
  8. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    violent streaks? a lot of the guys in bareknuckle fighting in the 1850's-1860's were violent. john morrissey, tom hyer, yankee sullivan and john c heenan were gangsters.
     
  9. janitor

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    Being a nice person was not a prerequisite for being a sucesfull bareknuckle fighter.

    Then as now, many boxers were quite awfull people.

    There were notable exceptions of course. Jem Mace always went to considerable lengths to avoid using his fists on civilians and was verry critical of any fighter who did.
     
  10. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've seen him listed at 220 lbs.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Sounds plausible.

    He was probably about as big as a prime Tony Tucker.

    Hard to say how good he was but he was up against a 160lb champion who was prepared to fight him in principle.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    I must admit, I've never herad of this guy. What is his record? Who did he beat?
     
  13. janitor

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    Little of his record exists (as with many top fighters of that era) but he was being matched at the highest level and was expected to win.

    He beat Marsden and was matched against Wormwold (both top men), but his career was spoiled by the fact that he peaked just when the police were cracking down on prizefighting big time.

    Most of his big fights were stopped.
     
  14. amhlilhaus

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    bareknuckle reputations were often formed by impromptu street fights, where there were no record keepers. john c. heenan's record is so incomplete he never won any official prize fights.

    it's fairly safe to say that the men who we have heard of in the historical record had more fights than were recorded.
     
  15. janitor

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    Undoubtedly.

    It is also the case that many managers avoided exposing their protege to the limelight untill they were ready to fight at world level.

    This alowed them to get verry favourable betting odds.