Roy Jones is underrated

JC doesnt have any win near the quality of Toney. Kessler is B Class, Eubank was past it, weight drained and on short notice. Most of Calzaghes oppones were coming off loses or useless

Mallinga beat Nigel Benn twice, Prime Reid and arguably beat Eubank. Who did Lacy beat? Ancient Reid, Mallinga beat a prime version

 

The lineal title is traditionally decided by WBC and WBA. In recent years its been argued no1 and no2 can produce a lineal champion. But how can a bum like Maske be rated no2 when a great like Jones Jr has just beaten a top3 fighter in the division? Arguably all the 3 big belts should be unified

 

Well lets look at comparisons that hold more weight than just different opponents.

1) A common ATG opponent, Bernard Hopkins. Who beat the better version? Calzaghe did

2) Call me crazy, but the two fighters you're hypothetically matching up, actually fighting pretty much trumps absolutely everything else there is to be considered. And Calzaghe spanked that ass.

You can bring up excuses and talk of primes and injuries and everything else, but when two men mutually agree to step into the ring and one comes out the winner, that is the only solid piece of evidence that would hold up in court

 

1. Yes a 43yo who throws 10punches a round is better than a prime 28yo version who would arguably never lose again

2. Jones was shot, I suppose you rate Berbick over Ali too

You're a ****wit

 

Yeah okay you convince yourself of that bull**** you just spewed and Jones beat Hopkins at 160 in case you forgot. Roy ain't losing to Robinson at 160 and Monzon is too one dimensional to beat Roy.

And for Christ sakes Calzaghe had some struggles with shot Roy so now your going to say he a shot at beating Roy at his best weight in his prime?

 

Dariusz was considered the lineal champ from the moment he beat Hill.

No, in all the world he was considered the lineal champ. Even as big a Jones fan as Max Kellerman acknowledged it once when he was on ESPN's FNF.

By doing something Fabrice Tiozzo had just done the year before?

Not if someone else already has the lineal title - which Erdei did.

 

I think that's really low. He should definetly be higher than that. Mind you I just got done watching RJJ's career highlight made beautifully by USmanRJJR so I could be overrating right now. You should check it out on Youtube though, it's in 9 parts but it's like watching a movie.

 

1. By you and some other deluded types, but Hill and Maske were never 1 and 2 at the weight, therefore they werent linear
2. Wow Max Kellerman, couldnt you find a better source?
3. Tiozzo>Maske
4. Erdei was never linear and even if he was he got his ass kicked twice by that Argie

 

Lineal (or linear) title is nice, but it gets over-rated at times and for the very same reasons you and I discussed in the Holmes-Louis thread.

Too many belts available now.

Ali was not a 'pure' lineal title-holder. Neither was Liston, Frazier, Foreman or Holmes.

 

What fights could Jones have taken though? He pretty much cleaned up his division and dominated the competition in front of him. It's not his fault that the LHW division wasn't good.

 

I could be, and we could be underrating his Heavyweight championship win.

I have to further evaluate. I don't really rate too much based on H2H, and while I factor ability/skill I don't really value it that much. I mostly value resume/achievements. Key word is at least in that 50-60 range I'd imagine. I don't have a list though.

 

No, by everyone.

Yes they were; you're just making **** up as usual.

Can you name any fighters more accomplished at that weight than they were at that time?

Hill was linear once he beat Maske. That was the whole point in making the fight.

An admitted Jones fan who has nothing to do with ESB? There's no better source for this than that.

Again, making **** up to stay consistent.

Their respective fights against Hill clearly prove you wrong.

Yes he was, the moment he beat Gonzalez.

 

Again, this lineal champ is a bull**** dump for haters of onbe fighter and lovers of another.

Who gives a flying **** who the lineal champ is. No one beat Spinks, so it's all bull****.

Jones was the best lt heavy of his era. therefore his is greater than Dm, Erdie, adn whoever eles you want to name.

After all Dm got beat by a guy Jones wiped the floor with. So Dm can keep his mythical lineal champ awarded to him by his fanbase, Jones will have his legacy.

And for the record, people on the claissc forum underrate Jones.

Talking about him barely cracking the top 50 is ridiculous. To me if you don't have him in the top twenty AT LEAST, there is something wrong with your ranking system.


I rate him 4 behind Robinson, Louis and Ali.


Keith

 

Excellent point, echoing what I mentioned in post # 189.

 

No, it's a method for keeping order that's been widely used since the titles split in the '70s.

Most actual fans of the sport.

That's for fights to determine, not words.

And likewise, Jones lost to a guy DM beat; and also a guy Hopkins and Harding beat, and a guy Omar Sheika beat. What did that prove then?

And Jones' legacy at LHW is one that suffers from never having actually verified that he was the best of his era, and only leaving it up to speculation.

If you think having ranking system based largely on resume and quality of opposition can be "wrong," then yes.