Roy Jones is underrated

Maske's best win was Williams not Barkley. Maske was more accomplished at the ime than Jones, McCallum or Griffin. So neither of them could be ranked above Maske or Hill at the ime they fought. The only one who could have an argument himself would be DM. What would change nothing after DM beat Hill after he beat Maske. DM would still be lineal.

 

1. What makes you say a 28yo Hopkins was green, DM had nowhere near the skill or athleticism of Hopkins, even the 28yo Hopkins. But then again yo uhavent watched any Hopkins of that period so how would you know. Hopkins had just as much experience as Jones for the record

How was Toney not the best of his era when he was considered P4P no1

2. Most of those opponents simply arent that great,very good but not real greats, Marshall said Lamotta wasnt as good as the other murderers row fighter after beating him. Hopkins and Toney are far better than any of Robinsons opponents perhaps barring Galivan and he had about 6losses in the 2year period when he faced Robinson

 

You mean the Williams who Toney whooped more emphatically? The same Toney who Jones schooled. Yea with that as a career best win Maskes way more accomplished than Jones :rofl

And now your admitting Hill-Maske isnt necessarily for the lineal title as DM has an argument to be over Maske. And given Rochiagani had an argument at that stage to be rated over DM, I think you would agree DM-Hill doesnt ceate a linear champ, even ignoring Jones

 

Actually I have seen most of Hopkins of the time. And yeah, the prime DM Jones would have fought was better and more proven than the Hopkins Jones fought. And by quite a bit.
Jones was more experienced than Hopkins due to his Amateur record. Add to that that Jones style was suited for a fast start while Hopkins just lived of experience and you can see the gap between hem at the ime of the fight. Well, if you aren't a fanboy, so you won't see it.

So Toney was the p4p no1 in he 90s? I hought his was beween Whitaker and Jones :huh

:rofl

 

Maske beat Williams before Toney and you have to factor in style. Maske never was a knockout puncher but he was as far ahead on he cards Toney at the time of he stoppage. And Maske was he first one to beat Williams in nine years.
Jones bea Toney at smw that has nohing to do with his ranking a lhw. Maske was a more accomplished lhw than Jones at the time he fought Hill. Fact.

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1. I admitted anyhing. I said if anybody has an argument it's DM but actually I don' hink he has it.
2. Rocchigiani has no argument beeing ranked above DM.
3. Why don' you answer my post in which I proved you hat Jones ducked this Rocchigiani?

 

1. If you've seen '93 Hopkins you'll know hes faster, fitter, a much higher workrate and more dangerous. He also is still a very skillfull MW, used feints, footwork. Outs side of Jones Hopkins didnt lose from 1988-2005. And he arguably hasnt lost since he faced Jones. Do you think an older counter punching Hops has more success?

I think its hilarious you downplay the and hype up Robinsons best win in Galivan when Galivan was losing regularly before and after Robinson beat him and Galivan also arguably beat Robinson

Need I remind you most people consider Galivan Robinsons no1 win?

2. Toney was on a **** hot streak with wins over Nunn, McCallum, Barkley

3. No answer for that 1, bottom line Robinson didnt face the best WWs and MWs of his era. Armstrong didnt face the best WWs of his era

So all these things get held against Robinson/Armstrong but not Jones, definate case of double standards

 

A. The point is Jones beat a man who beat Maskes best opponent better. Jones also beat McCallum. That gives him a good case to be ranked over Maske. Obviously you wont admit that. In terms of accomplishment we saw how both performed against Hill

1. Nice backtracking but the fact is you said Maske and Hill werent necessarily 1 and 2
2. Ofcourse he does rochiagani has a victory over DM in everyones eyes except for the corrupt officials
3. I havent seen it I'll look for it

Bottom LIne - the 2 best LHWs were Jones and DM, they never faced each other, neither needed it, it didnt give either the necessary financial compensation to make it happen and both made more money fighting other men. Thats how boxing works, its all about money, always has been no matter what rose tinted glasses types try to BS about. Thats why we didnt get Robinson-Burley too, Robinson wasnt offered enough money to fight he best of his era, despite being offered a career high payday at 1 stage. Youhave to judge a boxer on what they actually do achieved and Jones achieved allot

 

Any actual none German sources? Wheres the evidence of Rocchigiani trying to make a Jones fight?

Why are you crying about the WBA/IBF stripping DM and made because the WBC didnt strip JOnes? Is it because your a hypocrite :yep

How can Jones have had 2weeks to make a fight with Rochiagani when Roch was never the mandatory? According to you he beat the mandatory for the WBC title after Jones was stripped? So he was the champ and never the mandatory? right?

PS in case you havent noticed Jones isnt the president of the WBC :yep

PPS If your a real man ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS

 

I never said was bad win or that he was bad. This win was just not a great one. The Hopkins Jones fought was not a HoFer while the DM he would have fought would have been on that level.
Yeah, I think the Hopkins of 1998-2003 would have more success against Jones - and was a better fighter than DM.

Of course you do. You are a Jones fanboy.

What has that to do with him not beeing p4p number one of the 90s? He is not even top5 and I think you could argue he isn't top10 - also I think he is.

I do hold his against Robinson and Armstrong but fact is they have a far superior resume and fought harder opposition than Jones. That anybody can argue this blows my mind.

 

No many considered Toney no1 in 1994 in many magazines and the media rightfully or wrongly, I wasnt talking the 90s as a whole. Toney had also become lineal champ at MW and was beating everyone who meant anything from 160-168, Eubank/Benn werent too keen on fighting him

 

Talks of the fight being set, then the date and venue being changed..Then the fight falling through and Telesco coming in as the replacement.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/30/sports/boxing-a-night-of-fisticuffs-not-high-kicks.html?pagewanted=1

Mentions Rocchigiani as the mandatory.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/17/sports/boxing-jones-prevails-over-injury-and-telesco.html


Mentions the fact that Roy must fights Graciano next or face losing the belt

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/27/sports/boxing-jones-sends-a-reminder-with-one-huge-blow.html?pagewanted=1

Hope that helps.

 

Jones beat the man at smw, the fight has no meaning for lhw. Jones beat McCallum who was ranked behing Maske and Hill. That does not move him in front of either of them, especially when you consider that Tiozzo beat a younger McCallum than Jones and probably should also have been ranked above Jones. Probably DM and Rocchigiani also.

No, I did not say anything like that. I wrote the only one having an argument ranking above them is DM. That there is an argument for that does not mean it was like that. And, well, it wasn't.

Nope, sorry.You could make an argument the fight was not a DQ but even than it would have been a technical draw like it was announced before. So, no there is no argument for Rocchigiani beeing ranked above DM.

Overall, I kinda agree with this but that the fight did not happen hurt Jones more than DM. Jones never was the champ in any division. Would he have fought DM he would have won. I'm pretty sure of tha also I give DM a decent chance, he has the pressure, jab, timing, accuracy, defense and chin to take Jones into deep water, into deeper water than Hopkins, Toney, or Tarver did. However, Jones winning the championship would put him into my Top10 a lhw. I think the fact that they never fouhgt actually is good for DM since he is not seen as just another Jones victim but as a threat he never faced.

 

You were talking about an era. 1994 is not an era. :good

 

Here, you insinuate that one can't assume that a fighter can operate at elite level unless he's faced opponents of that calibre before and come through them. Like I said, Kessler vs. Ward.

 

1. The only people who dont consider it a great win are Jones haters who want to downgrade a great win in order to downplay Jones. They also ignore Jones won a wide 9-3 decision with a damaged hand ad Hopkins turned down 40% of the purse to make a rematch.

I'm not even sure why DM fans think hes so good, what is it? Play acting to get Roch disqualified? Going life and death with Hall? Avoiding Tarver? Looking less impressive than Jones againt all common opponents? Losing to Gonzalez?

2. When you cant win the argument, stoop to insults

3. Robinson hasnt beat anyone as good as Toney and Hopkins, if you think Robinson has beat better fighters list them and I'll rip them to shreds