Roy Jones is underrated

See the post of WhataRock :good

No, because it ain't rightious. Jones was not sripped, he vacated. Nunn-Rocchigiani was set for the vacate belt. Rocchigiani won, was stripped and made mandaory. Jones ducked him. Fact.

Rocchigiani was made the mandatory by the WBC after they stripped him. he WBC gave Jones 2 weeks to make the fight. Rocchigiani should have been and was the rightful champ bu didn't have the title.

I never held Jones responsible for these sh*t. Only for not making those two fights happen.

You don't even know what a real man is. Constantly beeing disrespectful and throwing insults around is not beeing a man. It's beeing a spoiled brat that just got his favourite toy taken away.

 

No, I have said I doubt it not that I can't see someone assuming it.

 

Toney was a top P4P fighter level from 91-94, considered the man from 160-168. He fought 22 times in those 3 years alone and had 44 wins with 2draws

Nunn was considered the no1 MW after beating most of the best MWs in Kalambay, Barkley, Starling, Curry, Roldan, Starling and Tate. Not only that he was a 6'3 MW with amazing speed, jab, movement and defense, a nightre style for a 5'9 counter punching MW.

McCallum was considered the next best MW who had dominated the top contenders like Kalambay, Curry, Mike Watson aswell as proving himself

Littles - undefeated SMW champ

Barkley was fresh off being Hearns

Williams - ex LHW champ

Reggie Johnson - future champ

Toney did far more at MW and SMW than DM did at 175 without a doubt

 

:-( Everybody who isn't a Jones fanboy admits this win is good but not great.

So many wrongs in that. :rofl Avoiding Tarver? DM was at the end of his career when Tarver came up. He los to Gonzalez and you could clearly see he was done in that fight, even in the fights before it was clearly visible he wasn't the same man he was in the late 90s.
DM is a proven fighter who defended his lhw belt succesfully 24 times, the lineal championship 14 times, won a belt at cw, has a decent resume at his best weight, beat plenty of top10 contenders.
Btw. I'm not a DM fan, the only fighter of the era I would consider myself a fan of is Rocchigiani but other han you I at least try to be objecive.

Fanboy is not an insult in this case but an observation. You are known for it. Coming from you this is a joke btw.

Right. He beat better fighters. :good

 

And was has any of that to do with the posting you answered to? Toney ranks above DM p4p, no question. He was not a better lhw. And Jones beating him at smw has nohing to do with what Jones did at lhw.

 

It does say Roch was no1 contender, but this is in 2000, not at the time of the Nunn/Roch fight when Nunn was. So was Roch champ or number 1 contender? DM fans claim he was rightful WBC titlist after beating Nunn. Roch also turned down a date to fight Jones from this article

Some quotes regarding ducking:

Rocchigiani could not commit to the schedule of the news conference in New York and to the date of the fight.

''Whatever shows up; I hope it's that Dariusz Michalczewski,'' Jones said, regarding the World Boxing Organization champion from Germany. ''I have to let my hand heal up, because I'm going to beat him worst.''

 

Are you going senial? We were talking about the quality of the Toney win regarding Jones legacy as a whole, yo uwere downplaying the win as a whole saying a DM win would have meant more, wake up grandad

 

No. That was not the post you answered to. You answered a pos in which I stated 1994 was not an era. The debate moved forward. Answer in the right context and we can talk about it.

 

1. Most none haters consider it an ATG win

2. Tarver was a top contender from . Why did it take DM so many years to rematch Rochiagani and wait until he was past prime and inactive after he play acted and cheated to get a win? Why didnt he try to fight Jones? Why didnt he try to fight Nunn? Why not try and fight Calzaghe/Otke? Toney? Hopkins? DM fought easy fights for the majority of his career and didnt seek out challenges. Apply the same standards to DM you apply to Jones

3. Its an insult that avoids answer the question but you dont have the facts to back up your debate and you know it

4. No substance to your replies yet again, whos better - Lamotta who got owned by Marshall and goes life and death 5 times with a WW Zivic? Ducks Burley to fight Zivic. Zivic who has about 100losses?

 

Grandad we were talking about whether Toney was 1 of the top P4P fighters of his era, please explain how the 'debate moved forward' when it never diverted from that, keep up Grandad. Take some Gingko Biloba to offset your senility

 

Regardless of who was the lineal champ, the fall of DM and the loss of his titles was not caused by Roy Jones.
Roy Jones is the fighter who went out and unified the titles once they were broken up. I dont think DM has much of a case demanding Jones come to him given those circumstances.
Whats more impressive Bodhi, unifying all three titles separately and making the consecutive defenses Jones did, or holding the title of linear champ, but never holding all three titles at the same time, and never defending them once?

 

Only if you consider everybody who duisagrees with you on this point a hater.

Rocchigiani was messed up in the Jones-WBC debacle and wasn't available for most part of the ime.
Why should he try o fight Jones? He was the champ. Jones should have tried to fight him.
He beat the man that beat Nunn before and after he beat Nunn.
Calzaghe/Ottke/Hopkins where in another division DM never fought at. Why should he have fought them? Jones fought in these divisions. There's a difference.
He beat the man the beat Toney after he beat Toney.

Says the man who alters posts of his other posters when he quotes them and hrows around insults like ****wit - yeah, I saw it before you could edit your posting, sweetheart.

The LaMotta Robinson fought was greater than the Hopkins Jones fought. And probably Toney too. Yeah.

 

Jones unified three titles others were unrightfully stripped of. He never bea the fighters who actually had those titles - DM, Rocky. Unifying in this case is as impressive as beating the fighters he won he titles of without hem having he titles.

 

So, who is the one insulting?

 

That happens all the time though fighters vacate get stripped for non compliance. Look at the whole Foreman mess, and we were stuck with Shannon Briggs as the linear champion.
It wasnt a ducking thing. It seems that the blame is being put on Jones for it though, and thats not the case. He moved up in anticipation of fighting for the LH title once an interim title fight was offered to him?