Roy Jones is underrated

1. Except half the fans

2. Rochiagani turned down the fight you senile grandad Jones was the WBC/IBF/WBA LHW champ and P4P no1 and you dont think he sould have signed for the fight

3. DM didnt face the best fighters at all though

4. Toney looked to edge out Griffin if you'd actually seen the fight. DM only faced him after Jones smashed him in a round

5. I edit your posts to make them have some sense after ou spout pure nonsensical senility and laugh at your expense. As opposed to you who cuts out key points and try to give a partial answer to other points, you're a fraud

6. Lamotta kept picking up losses and ducking the best middleweights, what makes him better? He was slower, less skill, less power, shorter, worse defense. Lamotta did everything worse than Hopkins.

Lamotta arguably isnt a top5 middleweight from the era he fought, Robinson, Burley, Marshall were certainly better. Holman Williams arguably beat Lamotta when he was past prime at 34 with 177 fights. Then there were Charles, Booker, Chase. Ezzard Charles were top MWs in that era, so was Archie Moore. So was Cocoa Kid. Despite not facing those menhe lost to 13 opponents other than Robinson (1 was a dive so we can call it 12)

 

No insults, Im worried about your memory with your slip ups and suggesting a remedy, gingko is proven to help blood flow through the brain, you should try it

 

Right, Jones fans.

Actually Jones didn' held one belt rightfully.

Yes, he did. He beat all the best lhws but Jones.

I was talking about the great Drake Thadzi.

A fraud that keeps on kicking you ass. What does that make you?

Yeah, as Prime Hopkins. But not as he Hopkins Jones fought.

And most of them were HoFers or atgs. :good He also fought more orften in a much tougher era. You are bound to lose some when you face this kind of opposition.

 

You just proved what kind of poster you are. Again. My work is done here. :yep

 

1. Plenty of fans, your biased against Jones, most Classic posters are

2. Rochiagani ducked Jones and wouldnt sign for the fight :deal Hurts doesnt it

3. I must have missed him beating Tiozzo, oh no he got KTFO in that 1 I must have missed him fighting Nunn, Tarver, Reggie Johnson, Toney, Maske, Rochiaganni rematch (94-99)

4. Avoiding questions and not accepting the truth = kicking ass? :huh

5. Jones did bat a prime 28yo Hopkins prove me wrong :yep

6. No most of Lamottas loses Robinson aside came to average contenders or below average 1s and not the best contenders

 

TRANSLATION - you're getting owned and running from the thread :yep

 

Owned? By you? Yeah, and cows can fly. :roll:

 

lamotta always says he was the only white fighter of his generation to fight the great black fighters.he didn't go near charles or moore as you say and fought welters, robinson 6 times and zivic 4.
lamotta was a great fighter but leagues behind ezzard charles and more too.

 

Why dont you all tell us again how Jones ducked Rochiagani, when it was Rochiagani who wouldnt sign for the fight

 

Agreed hes a very good fighter, maybe great, but he certainly gets overrated. His success largely came smaller men as you say, Holman Williams was an exLW too, 34 and past prime hen Lamotta got to him

He did fight more black fighters than the other white contenders, but he didnt fight many of the best and he didnt come close to proving himself the best of his era

 

Powerpuncher its clear Hopkins improved over the course of his career after Jones. He may have been physically in his prime, but technically he was not. Ive gotten into the same arguement with another poster concerning another fighter. Although the win looks great on Jones resume now, there is a clear case for him having far less boxing experience than Jones Jr when they fought. I do believe Hopkins was more than prepared to fight for the title, but he became a far better thinking fighter, as did Jones over the course of his pro caeer and nothing in mind ever suggested the outcome would be much different, but there is a case for it.
Boxing as you know is a thinking mans game just as much as it is having natural talent. Being faster and younger doesnt always necessarily equate to being better, especially when your fighting stupid or without direction.

 

:good:goodzivic was tiny compared to lamotta and was one fighter who got the same shitty breaks as those great black fighters.

 

I'm not arguing Hopkins didnt become more of a thinking fighter, he also became slower and didnt have the same engine to work every miniute of the round he did as a 28yo. All of these are important abilities. So in some ways he was better a 28, some ways better at 35, I dont debate this. His technical improvements however are a vast exageration because he already had much of these techniques in 93. Either way, who has the greater chance to beat JOnes, a slow defensive counter puncher or an aggressive pressuring boxer puncher? Because Hopkins was the latter then

Why is there an assumption though that Hopkins wasnt a great fighter already? He didnt lose before or after Jones over an 18years outside of this fight and you could make the case he hasnt a single fight since Jones. Just because he didnt get is chance to make the big fights as a 28yo doesnt mean he wouldnt have beat the best then

As for not having as much experience as Jones, I think they had close to the same number of pro and amateur fights

 

That's why he won the lawsuit.


I won't argue with you anymore. I'm tired of you twisting facts, I'm tired of you spitting insuls, I'm tired moving in a circle. You are not worth my time.

 

No Hopkins was in prison, he didnt have a storied amatuer career, plus Jones went to the olympics where he faced the best of the best amatuer fighters future champs and top contenders to get there. That certainly helps wouldnt you agree?
As far as being slower, it doesnt always matter if you can now see openings, set traps for your opponent to run into or pace yourself to expose something you might not have seen before. Look at Lennox Lewis, his punch output went way down, he was less explosive, but he improved his balance, tightened up his defense, and fought calculated and at range to setup his shots.