Roy Jones is underrated

I get it you have serious ******ation aswell as senility or is it just denial? The law suit had nothing to do with Rochiaganis fight with Jones.
Rochiaganni turned the Jones fight down

The lawsuit was sueing the WBC for breaking a contract to have rock as their WBC titlist in 1998 and then removing this.

ROCHIAGANI DUCKED JONES JR :yep

 

Great Jusification OP. Good read.

 

I really like Roy Jones and would like to rate him among the best, but I think it really hurts him that he never faced Dariusz Michalczewski. I don't know for sure why they never fought, and apprently both sides have pointed fingers at the other for the match never being made. I suspect the truth sits somewhere in the middle. At anyrate I'd probably pick Jones to win, but there's a difference between the theoretical ability to do it, and " actually " doing it. Michalczewski co-existed alongside side Jones, for the right to be the best light heavyweight in the world for the better part of 6 years, and was quite possibly " the man " for a brief period after beating Hill in 1996... He would eventually ascend to a record of 48-0, before suffering his first loss at about the same time that Jones was starting to slip himself... I doubt that any other all time greats like Moore, Charles, Spinks, Foster,etc. would have lived it down, had they managed to go through their whole careers as champions while such an opponent was out there meandering around.

I'm not saying that Jones wasn't an all time great because he never fought Dariusz Michalczewski, but I think the fact that he didn't is often swept under the carpet..

 

Id have to agree with this.

I dont want to get into the debate about whether Jones was the best LW ever but he was certainly overrated in terms of what he actually proved consistently against top quality opposition.

Roy Jones probably could of beaten anyone(160-175) in history in theory,but he did not prove enough while he was in his prime against the best available comp imo,so he should get ranked accordingly regardless how great his skillet was.

Im not gonna say Roy ducked this guy that guy but i know Roy could of found more credible opponents than Ricky Frazier,Brian Brannon,Richard Hall etc, if he really wanted to.

By all accounts when Tarver was in line for a crack at Roy,Roy and Murrad Muhammad suggested to one of the organization's that Roy fight the number 2 guy in order for Roy to get some credibility should he fight and beat the winner, now this can be taken two ways, you can take it as Roy was genuinely concerned about the credit he would get for the win or that he was little reluctant to actually fight Tarver,Tarver subsequently lost the fight and Harding when onto fight Roy Jones. Id pose the question as to why Roy did not impose this kinda thing for his fights against the likes of Hall,Frazier,Brannon etc, if he did then my bad but it sounds a bit fishy to me

 

:rofl Burley was never a contender for any of Ray's titles. Great "logic," though.

 

While techincally true, mainly due to Ray getting the titles overly late, Burley was chasing Robinson for the title of best P4P fighter in the fight. Burley had the much better resume, Robinson the undefeated record and looked the most impressive visually. It was the most mouth watering fight of the time.

Its been posted on here (by McGrain perhaps?) Robinson was offered a career high payday earlier in his career to face Burley and turned it down, the validity of this I'm unsure of, ask McGrain though hes the resident Burley expert

 

He is certaintly underrrated when rankings lists come out for Super Middleweights and Light Heavyweights and he's not in the top 5 because he's definitely a top 5 all time middleweight and super middleweight and top 10 light heavyweight. Much of this is his own fault however because he was so cautious in the late 90's and early 2000's and downright awful from then on...

 

And which of them had had a win as big as Prince Charles Williams and then followed up with about 10 defenses?

No, his best win was PRINCE CHARLES WILLIAMS who had defended his title 8 straight times until running into Maske.

Tiozzo had already fought Hill once BEFORE the Maske fight, you uninformed ass. Tiozzo was twice dumped on his ass with ****ing jabs. Trying to claim he was better than Maske is a joke.

No, I'm not. You're just continuing to make **** up, as usual.

No, they're skewed toward the FACTS, something you have shown a blatant disregard for.

 

Ayone can look at someones record and pick out the worst opponents, the fact is Jones faced 20+ world champions and most of the best of his era from 160-168. Plenty of opponents ducked him or wanted a kings randsom to face him

Have you seen Tarvers opposition pre-Harding? Its pretty bad, as in not faced a top30 LHW fighter kind of bad, unlikely with this opposition he was ever mandatory, he never fought any IBF eliminators before Harding and lost to Harding who Jones won every round against.

 

No, it was mainly due to them not being in the same division at the same time. Burley was a WW when Robby was only just starting his career as a LW, then Burley moved up to 160 right when Robby moved up to 147, and Burley had already retired a year before Robby won the MW title.

Either way it has nothing to do with Robby's title reign(s), contrary to what the poster tried to claim.

 

1. Umm Jones, Jones Jones, I said it 3 times in case your deaf. Jones was a million times the fighter with a million times the resume of a Euro bum like Maske

He beat Toney who owned Williams, its a far better win regardless of weight class. Jones is therefore a far superior fighter to Maske, everyone at the time knew it, we know it is fact now, its always been the case

2. So his best win is another guy who got his ass kicked by Toney who got owned in turn by Jones. So Maskes 2 best winsgot their ass kciked easy by Toney who in turn got his ass kicked easily by

3. Tiozzo was pre-prime in the first Hill fight and got better after. I wasnt rating Tiozzo over Hill but over the ordinary sub par Maske

4. Ofcourse your a hater, you've come on the thread to be solely negative in terms of offering any real analysis. You ever use losses after the age of 35 against Jones, Henry Armstrong must be a journeyman in your world if you have any consistancy, which ofcourse you dont

5. Your biased worthless opinions are not facts

 

Your the only 1 talking about titles, were talking about Robinson ducking Burley. The fact is Ray blatantly ducked Burley, Burley was a welterweight who was frozen out of the division after Zivics management put him in a contract that would keep him from fighting for the title despite having wins over Zivic who would take the title.

He would have made the WW limit for a Robinson fight, especially as he was often only 148 for MW fights

Robinson was happy to campaign against MWs as early as 1942 but never wanted a piece of Burley despite being offered career high money.

 

BTW Robinson was also gifted the Lineal title at Welter, he never beat the reigning linear champion.

And if you really wanted the best 2 men who could make WW to create a new linearage, it would be Robinson and Burley, not Robinson and Tommy 'I doubt I'll hear the final' Bell

 

You're lying again.

 

Jones hadn't even won a full title yet, let alone made any defenses.

No it isn't. Toney couldn't accomplish **** at 175, nor could Williams at 168; so the weight class is very much relevant.

What did he do better after the first Hill fight?

And why should Tiozzo rank over Maske?

That's because the thread starter had overlooked those "negative" analyses in making his judgments and their discussion was warranted.

If Armstrong had a history of being KO'd by 35-year-olds, you'd have a point.

No, but the facts are facts, and I've cited them throughout my posts.