Who Ranks Greb As The Greatest?

That's pretty exagerating. Roy is better to watch but I don'think he is he better fighter. Some styles are made to be dominant, some just aren't.

 

I don' have a Top50 but I say when you have Jones, Hagler, Hearns in it Hopkins must be too. They are all pretty close and actually I think Hopkins and Jones should be above Hagler and Hearns.

 

I think a little fight in the Spring of 93 begs to differ.

 

:goodsorry but that along with jones dominace in 3 weight classes, proven ability even at heavy, and conquering of 15 world champions puts him more than a little above hopkins

 

A fight which imo is overated. Jones just entered his prime while Hopkins was around 5 years away from his. Means not much more than the upcoming one to me.

 

i have all four in my top 50 as well but i have hagler and hearns above hopkins and jones around the same place as marvin

 

How can you say he dominaed a weightclass when he didn't fight the best fighters there? Hopkins did so in his. And he beat 15+ beltholders and some of hem shouldn't even have hold the belts. I won't ge in another discussion about that and I'm no Jones-hater but someimes people buy too much into hype.

 

well you're damn right about the hype. even i get annoyed sometimes and i'm a huge jones nuthugger. but hopkins and jones are both top 50 guys for me, regardless of who is ahead and are brilliant for very different reasons

 

Borderline, I think about 45-50 at the moment...give it a few years to reflect on his career and he might just be pushed out or he might even move up a little further.

I put a heavy emphasis on my definition of resume...which is basically who you beat and how you beat them. Which takes a little more in depth reasearch then just looking at the record book. So I try my best to find decent accounts of the fights through various sources and where possible watch as many as the fights as I can do make up my own mind.
Which is connected to the next criteria which is important but not as important...which is form on film and in the ring dominance.
I guess I try to balance out the fighters strengths and weaknesses based on what I can find out on them but mostly Im just looking to see their quality of opposition and how they went against them.

But ill tell you now when I did a list it was full of contradictions..One guy Id have in a certain spot and justify him there because of his consistency and dominance another guy I have because of his top shelf wins, kind of glossing over the fact he may have had a patchy run here and there...Its pretty hard, in fact almost impossible to be perfectly consistent in making these lists.

They are good fun though and you learn a lot doing them and from debating the placings with people.

 

:good

 

Its very hard to nail down when Nards prime actually was.

He was not the finished product at that stage but I dont feel his more well rounded and defensive approach would have faired any better that night. He was technically sound, physically in excellent shape and fired up to win. I thought his best work in that fight came when he let his hands go and had Roy on the defensive.

Roy beat him fairly comfortably with an injured hand...overall Roy beat a better crop of fighters for me and was more dominant doing it. He was just straight up the better fighter, thats how I see it.

I think the argument that Hopkins was green is just as silly as people saying he was in his prime...Like many things the truth is often in the middle.

 

I am of the strong opinion that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter, pound-for-pound, who ever lived. But I have to say, the more I read about Harry Greb, the higher I rate him. Greb and Robinson are probably my all-time favorite fighters, along with my childhood hero, Mike Tyson. Of course I have a different appreciation for the legends, Robinson and Greb.

Anyway, back to The Human Windmill. His resume is astonishing! It is undoubtedly the best in boxing history. Even though none of his fights can be seen, he would still have to be on any sane boxing fan's top-5 pound-for-pound list. I don't yet have a top-ten pound-for-pound list, because I am waiting to see who wins Mayweather-Mosley, so that I can see who to place at the top......that's a joke. No, the reason I don't have a top ten list is because I think it takes years to really examine all of these great fighter's careers. I am a life-long fan of the sweet science. I know that guys like Robinson, Greb, Ali, Pep, Armstrong, Duran, R. Leonard, etc., would be on my list.

To get back to the topic at hand, Harry Greb had the kind of unique style that only he could make work. He was unorthodox even for his own time. He had outstanding stamina and the quickness of a leopard. I, like my boxing fans, have the video of the only existing footage of Harry Greb. That few minutes makes the mystery of his legend grow even more. He seemed like such a reserved guy and definitely had the face of a fighter. Man, I wish I could see his fights.