Calzaghe & Mayeather's CV / Resume , is there much difference ???

Did you bother watching the above footage? Technically inferior? No.

When did I say I 'preferred it'? You asked me how Calzaghe couldn't make the top 100, I told you, despite you disliking the aesthetics these fighters did more and deserve a higher standing in a top 100.

 

well I think so anyway.... cant blame me, i AM a caslzaghe fan :nut

 

And an ill-informed one:deal

 

Mayweather has the superior resume, and while there may not be a massive gap between the two, there is enough of a gap to dispel the need for a direct comparison to decide who has the better one.

 

WHO HAD A BETTER CAREER THAN CALZAGHE IN BRITISHBOXING KNOW ALL.......13 YEARS UNBEATEN AS A PRO AND GOT OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME....GIVE THE GUY CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE M8....DONT START WITH (HE FOUGHT HOPKINS AND JONES WHEN THEY WERE OVER THE HILL):tong

 

why's that?

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

A new one. Fantastic.

 

What are you referring to here? Are you trying to suggest that only contemporary fighters have boxing technique and all older fighters throw punches from their waste? That is about as convincing an argument as me citing Ponce De Leon or Andrade as an example of how all current fighters are brawlers with no skill.

This is pure stereotyped garbage. There are brawlers and technicians in every era. Sugar Ray Robinson was in his prime 60 years ago. Has he got no skill? How did Archie Moore fight on past 40 when he has no skill? He should have been shot to bits at this point. Joe Louis has no skill? Ezzard Charles?

Boxing technique has not changed dramatically over the last 50-60 years. If you are talking about fighters from 1910 of course there is a difference. That is why generally people talk about pre-modern and post-modern and the cut off is usually the Ray Robinson era. If you really think todays fighters are much better than him because they have a tin of whey or creatine I don't know what to say.

So by your logic does the average world champion of today rank above a guy that has fought for '50 world titles' or '11 different weight categories' (your words) just because you have this idea that all todays fighters are better? That is hardly a fair way to rank fighters. It's like having Federer, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal etc all making the greatest tennis players list and Rod Laver down in 30th because he played in a different era and probably couldn't compete. The circumstances are completely different, even if you think Joe Calzaghe beats Bob Fitzsimmons, Fitzsimmons has greater achievements in his own era which counts for a lot more than perceived H2H greatness which is completely subjective by the way.

 

He's not even the best Welsh fighter ever, knobcheese

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009023&cat=boxer
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=11878&cat=boxer

Fact of the matter is that he got taken to the wire by an over the hill Hopkins, and should be thoroughly ashamed to have cherry picked Jones at the time that he knew 100% that he could beat him. If you think that your view is any way widely held on here then you are an idiot

 

Exactly.

I can't see a cut-off point bar the excessive clinching. I mean Tunney, Louis, Loughran, all great indications of fighters that would compete in ANY era IMO.

Thewinfella just doesn't know what he's on about, nor is intelligent enough to notice the nuances in black and white footage.

 

everybody forgets that calzaghe was over the hill too... AND with mashed up hands!

 

Yeah, but there's "over the hill" and then there's "over the hill Jones Jr style"; Jones had nothing left. Hell, I was more excited at the prospect of Khan-Salita than I was about Calzaghe-Jones.

 

that fight was all about money for both fighters. i must admit i wasnt too excited about that one myself.

 

A little past his best? Wrong. He'd already lost to Collins twice by this point and was struggling with the wait. He was past his prime, there's no 'maybe' or 'a little past his best' about it.

Exactly. Woodhall was never a top name, so this doesn't do much for Calzaghe's legacy or resumé.

Yep. And Reid - while a very handy fighter and often under-rated at 168 - isn't exactly a top-tier elite fighter either. Some argue Joe may of actually lost this fight, though I disagree. He struggled though.

Bare in mind this was before Bika developed into the fighter he is today, although he still hasn't really beaten anybody. Joe struggled in this fight aswell, mainly though dirty tactics it must be said, but he was roughed up, frustrated and taken out of his element and lost probably 4 rounds.

Brilliant performance against what turned out to be an average performance. Lacy was nothing but a prospect with a belt on the rise. He hadn't established himself as an elite fighter because he never fought or beat one. Had massive problems with his shoulder and looked out-of-soughts in the ring that night. Over-rated win by you here.

I agree. But Kessler has since been shown to be a little bit up-right and rigid. Technically solid if predictable and unthrilling. I think he took 4 rounds off Joe, 3 at least, so it wasn't a 'boxing lesson' overall although in spurts it was. But it was a comfortable win.

I thought Joe may of actually lost this fight. I scored it to him 114-113 the first time, but have subsequently watched it twice and I scored it 114-113 to Hopkins, though I don't have my actual scorecard.

He struggled badly here with a guy who was past prime but admittedly still world class. However stylistically, Joe should of been more comfortable. Jermain Taylor had already 'officially' beaten Hopkins twice in a similar method, coming forward with speed and plenty of punches. Stylistically Joe had a big advantage here.

Exactly. Does nothing for his legacy either. Jones is barely fringe world-level at this point.

Mayweather's notable wins :

It is what it says on the tin. This alone is better than any Calzaghe win.

It wasn't a home-town decision at all. It was a close fight, you can't definately say that Mayweather lost. Besides, he had a torn rotator cuff and carried on fighting with an injury that others have quit with.

And here is where he puts it right. And it wasn't really a close fight. I suggest you go and watch the fight again. Floyd was a clear victor here, although the scorecards strangely were closer than the first fight. This win is better than any of Joe's.

Gatti was past his best if still a belt holder, yes. And the fight wasn't at 147. I suggest you go and do your homework. Floyd's performance was clinical but against a past prime opponent.

Judah was still a very good fighter and a fight Floyd didn't have to take given he had lost the undisputed title. Everybody has problems with Zab's combination of speed, power, accuracy and the southpaw element to start with, and Floyd struggled to deal with that for 2, maybe 3 rounds before taking control.

He didn't 'run' for most of the fight. Stop talking out of your arse. Number one, it's called lateral movement, and two, it's a boxing skill for reason. Floyd wasn't going to fight inside with Hatton, why would he take away his advantages by fighting Hatton's fight?

Close SD. Looking at Boxrec again? De La Hoya at this point was past his prime no doubt, but still a capable 154lber. I think you are getting confused with the 147, dead-at-the-weight version that fought Pacquiao. De La Hoya was still the #1 light-middle, and a world-class fighter.

Yes he was a lightweight and that takes a lot of gloss away from the win, but the performance after a 2 year lay-off was outstanding and Marquez was still a top 3 fighter P4P. But yes, he was overmatched.

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Now here's a few fights you seem to have left-off looking at Floyd's resumé:

Genaro Hernandez - The top 130'lber in the world and Floyd's first ever title fight. Hernandez was a genuinely good fight, B+ level in my estimation. A dominant performance from a young Floyd as he took pretty much every minute of the fight on fought to making Hernandez quit on his stool.

Carlos Baldomir - For the majority of his career a C+ level fight, but in a rich vain of form having beaten Rodriguez, Judah and Gatti in a row to the point where he was operating as a B+ level fighter at his full potentially. Dominating performance by Floyd to become the welterweight king and take his 5 title in a 4th different weight class.

Carlos Hernandez - Again not a great name, but a solid one. Hernandez was the Golden Boy of El Salvador and went on beat Steve Forbes and take his IBF super-featherweight title. Always had a close fight with Jesus Chavez and fought Erik Morales going the distance.

Jesus Chavez - A very tough fighter who Floyd brawled with often during the fight, fighting Chavez own fight, and ultimately beating him at his own game. Later became a world champion in that tragic fight with Leavander Johnson.

DeMarcus Corley - Smooth operating southpaw who apparently gave Floyd a tough fight, merely because he landed a very good right hook on Floyd, that Mayweather took well. Dominated from then on. Corley was the former WBO champ and had just lost a very close split-decision to Zab Judah.

Angel Manfredy - Again, not a great name, but a solid one and a fighter who was unfortunately not to win a world title. Had just sliced open Arturo Gatti and went on to give Stevie Johnston a very competitive fight in his world title challenge a year or so later.

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These aren't great names, but you've included the likes of Richie Woodhall on Calzaghe's and these guys are on par with him at least. You should in hindsight of included Byron Mitchell who was a decent fighter and a solid win for Calzaghe, but this isn't even close. Mayweather has the far better, more rounded resumé and the greater accomplishments.