Why Felix Savon didn't decide to turn pro?

I agree with that. Might have been. Might not have been. We'll never know.

 

You are quite delusional if you believe everything you wrote about Savon in comparison to his contemporary heavweight counterparts in the pro's. You're also "filling in the blanks" concerning Savon's intangible assets that are not readily distinguishable as an amateur...and that is the basis of your own ignorance.

Tyson knocking out Trevor Berbick to become WBC Heavyweight champion, and the youngest heavyweight champion in history at age 20 carries ALOT more weight than an amateur boxer winning gold at age 19.

You didn't even answer my question directly, you've conveniently side-stepped the point I made to save yourself embarrassment. Let's try this again...

EXPLAIN to me how Felix Savon would fare against the following heavyweights in a full 12 round fight:

1. Larry Holmes (the Holmes that fought Holyfield)
2. Big George Foreman (again the one that fought Holyfield)
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Mike Tyson (Pre prison or Post prison up to 2000)
5. Riddick Bowe

Now I have some additional comments for you based on your ducked responses.

1. Holyfield developed into a natural heavyweight with improved power by the middle of his career. On what basis do you make the judgement Savon was "stronger" than Holyfield? Holyfield bullied fighters bigger than him and showed phenomenal handspeed (MUCH faster than Savon if you bothered to open your eyes), and began to surprisingly show better punching power later in his career.

My take: Holyfield embarasses Savon from the opening bell with crisp, perfectly timed punches that befuddles the great amateur legend. Holyfield walks right through whatever Savon manages to land, smiles (just as he did with Tyson's punches), pushes him back and forces Savon into a war of attrition should Savon decide to use his height advantage. Eventually he is worn down and Holyfield finishes the job in the 5th, much likely earlier. Welcome to the professionals.

2. Mike Tyson. Do I really need to get into this? Regardless of what you think of Tyson's decline, he was SUPERIOR to Savon in every aspect. Savon wished he had the handspeed of Tyson, or his granite chin and impeccable timing. This one's not even close. Tyson KO 1, likely with the first punch he connects with in the opening 30 seconds.

3. Thank for pointing out Larry Holmes and George Foreman were older than Felix Savon, Captain obvious. :roll: Let me get right to the point, if you think Savon would have beaten either Holmes or Foreman at the time period they fought Holyfield, you need to get your head out your ass. These boxers were older yet still very formidable. Holmes would dance circles around Savon all night, make him look truly like the amateur he is. Foreman would bulldoze the 200lb Savon over within a round or two like he did with lesser fighters. Savon would have to be on his bike and run away from Foreman the entire night, which is NOT how he fights. Savon likes to engage, the moment he engages with Foreman it's lights out.

4. Riddick Bowe. I'm sorry, but your hatred for Riddick Bowe clearly clouds whatever semblance of unbiased judgement you might have had. Bowe was an extraordinary boxer and athletically gifted in his prime. He would have demolished Savon the same way he demolished Jorge Luis Gonzalez--a tactical breakdown with footwork, speed, accurate and perfectly placed offensive punches and timed jabs. Using your logic, when Gonzalez beat Bowe (and Lewis) in the amateurs it obviously translated into the pro's, right? :roll:

Lastly, it still appears you're hard-headed about amateur success not always translating as success in the pro's. What makes you think Savon would have had the chin to stand up to the hardest hitting heavyweights? Obviously, Ray Mercer came close to stopping him and would have done so as a Pro as well. He was stunned on other occasions as well. Thank god for headgear and short rounds, eh? Stamina issues are also obvious concerns, something you assume to be best-case. How about heart? I've seen NOTHING from Savon to suggest he has the heart of Holyfield, or the ring intelligence of Lewis.

For you to even compare him to the best heavyweights of the 90's is an insult to every pillar of boxing, and shows just how ignorant one can be. Maybe that's why you couldn't answer my point directly. Still waiting for you to fully explain how a career amateur with 21 losses on his record equates to being equal to the best heavyweights of the 90's.

 

talking about bias but your post is full of bias against savon, you dont give savon any kind of credit whatsoever an at the same time you make assumptions on his development as a pro or lack thereof, everything you posted is just opinions.. savon had the power size and athletic ability to become a great champion in the pros, we'll never know but to say he will get KO by holyfield, tyson, and bowe and mercer is just hating not an unbias opinion

:hat

 

Watch it with the british commentary

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3JRgun7wG8[/ame]

 

OK, I have read all the posts and only one really stands out to me...

Why do people keep " insisting " that Savon is GAY?

I saw him in many TV documentaries and he was " married " with a lot of kids!

Is this a joke from you guys or is this a " solid statement "??? I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THIS...

 

Yeah PR, this guy ( Exposed ) is completely biased against Savon and all other Cuban boxers. Forget this guy, it's a waste of time talking to a person that simply because of his " hate " is not able to exchange knowledgeable boxing conversations...

 

Compared to someone like you who puts every single Cuban fighter (regardless if they failed in the pro's or not) on a higher pedestal they deserve? Like Joel Casamayor and Juan Carlos Gomez?

It's quite obvious who posted with boxing knowledge in this thread, and who didn't. I backed up everything I said with facts and expertise. Even to this moment, many of you still do not understand the relevance of an amateur fighter like Savon fighting in the same tournament year after year against new, inexperienced boys each time. Those who cannot see beyond their own bias will of course be blind to this fact, and offer nothing but daydreams of how Savon would have been just as great in the pro's (or was all ready as good as the best heavyweights of the 90's ), without any logical substantiations.

Like I told you before Gamboa Express, the history of cuban boxing in the pro's are on MY side of the argument, not yours .

 

Can you honestly say that with the tools he had he couldnt developed in to a great pro boxer, he had size, speed, boxing ability and great power.. also he won his first world championship at the age of 19.. you say that he didnt have a ching but neither did lennox lewis and he dominated the HW division for a while.. Savon was very similar to lennox lewis in size, boxing style and ability so i think he coldve been a champion.. we'll never know but to completly say without a doubt that he couldnt is just being bias

:hat

 

Yeah right, you just repeat what the commentators say.

 

how dare he call boxing corrupt, while repping cuba......hahahah

 

hahah what a counter! where's the guy who said Tua just froze because he was inexperienced? Yeah right...froze in the middle of an attack...buy a magnificent short hook you can only see in slow mo! respect!

 

Thanks for the comments sandman. It kind reminded me why I like boxing... watch Savon and others with my dad at Olympics... and often forget how much more I like amateur boxing than professional. it's easy with some nasty people here on esb you should not argue with if you want to keep your sanity. cheers

 

Pro boxing is pretty corrupt actually

 

Ah, my apologies. The commentary is brilliant anyway

 

:good This!!