Andre Ward is the American Saviour in the Super Six! He will win the Tournament!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Oct 31, 2009.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I think the semi-finals (and finals) will be largely dependent on who the players are.

    I am curious if Ward is going to have three home fights in Oakland.

    I am not saying PH|LLA or the other guy is wrong, but that was never my understanding of how this works.

    As far as I know, the location of Ward-Green is still TBD.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

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    Are you are suggesting Kessler would have beaten Ward if this fight were in his hometown?
     
  3. ImElvis666

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    Abraham will adapt to his style with relative ease. AA is an incredibly hard fighter to work out. He will KO Ward in the late rounds. I'm fairly confident AA will win the tournament.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    We'll never know if he would have, but he definately could have.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    Ward will figure AA out.

    I cannot envision a scenario that sees AA beating Ward.

    Abraham gives too many early rounds away, and his counters and power won't bail him out late against an elite fighter like Ward.

    Ward's toughest fight, style-wise, is Dirrell--but as I've mentioned, he will be damaged goods by the time he faces Ward.

    I believe when all is said and done, Ward will be 5-0.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    I think Ward proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kessler's one-diminsional simplistic style is no match for him.

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  8. PH|LLA

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    I disagree.

    :smoke
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    Fair enough, but I'm hard-pressed to see any disagreement here?

    Ward dominated the fight, Kessler was unable to make adjustments, and that was all she wrote.

    Kessler supporters have whined about holding and hitting, headbutts, etc.

    Much ado about nothing.

    That Ward is a seasoned vet who held and hit to his advantage (much like ring veteran Bernard Hopkins), that's a credit to him. He fights like a seasoned pro.

    If they got broken apart earlier, Ward would still have had no problems outboxing him and outslicking him. Kessler simply had no plan B. Kessler was the one who looked like the inexperienced green fighter in the ring, not Ward.

    The reality is, Kessler simply isn't as good as most people around here thought. Much of his reputation is based off his loss to Calzaghe, where he was soundly defeated.

    Never a good sign.

    I don't think it matters whether Kessler and Ward fought in California, Europe, Africa, or Antarctica. Ward is simply a cut above, and he already proved this.
     
  10. Forensic Scene

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    Anyone who saw Kessler basically lose 10 out of 12 rounds to Joe Calzaghe knew that he would lose to Ward. I don't expect Kessler to win a single fight in this tournament. Here's how I rank the fighters:

    1. Arthur Abraham (the only true elite fighter in the tournament)

    2. Andre Ward (decent but nothing more)
    3. Andre Dirrell (more naturally talented than Ward, but lacks fighting instinct)
    4. Carl Froch (should have lost to Dirrell)
    5. Allan Green
    6. Mikkel Kessler


    This isn't a great tournament by any stretch; it's merely a showcase for Arthur Abraham, who is a genuine top 10 P4P fighter. He and Lucian Bute are the only two super middleweights with genuine hall-of-fame pedigree.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    I agree with someone being a seasoned vet and holding and hitting to his advantage, but its not the same if the ref is purposefully letting him get away with things that he should be penalizing him for. In that case, its a whole other story.

    There's a world of difference between fouling when the ref can't see it or hovering in the grey area between something that is tolerated and something that is penalized..., and having the ref in your pocket.

    Kessler supporters are not the only ones who whined about blatant headbutting, holding, hitting, etc. I wasn't supporting Kessler in this fight and I thought it was rediculous and corrupt.

    And that's just one aspect of it. Two fights between the same fighters are rarely a replay of the previous one anyways. Ask Quintana (among others) about it. On top of that, home town advantage is an advantage in all sports, boxing is no exception. Look at any sports team historical record at home vs away, and you'll be hard pressed to find a team that has a better away record.
     
  12. Rumsfeld

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    Let me go on record now as in saying this:

    If Kessler and Ward meet again in the semi-finals, Ward will be even more dominant next time around--regardless of where the fight takes place.

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  13. Rumsfeld

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    You are simultaneously overrating Abraham and underrating Ward.

    I believe Kessler-Froch will be a very competitive, crowd-pleasing encounter and I look forward to seeing that one.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    Let's hope it happens then.
     
  15. Rumsfeld

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    Kessler needs to beat Froch--and I think that's a winnable fight for Kessler.

    If he loses to Froch, I think he is mathematically out of it, more or less.