Prime julio cesar chavez vs manny pacquiao?

Pacquiao isn't coming out on top in a brawl with Chavez, that's that. And it will take an elite boxer to outbox him prime-for-prime and see the final bell. And that ain't Pacquiao.

 

Wrong. Id pick Hearns & Leonard to stop Pac. Id favour Duran. 50/50 with Whitaker at 140 and favour whitaker at LW & prime Mosley. Id favour Arguello & Mayweather at 130.

Stylistically, I just think Chavez is made for Pac.

 

Pacquiao wouldn't be nearly as successful when forced to fight off the backfoot. Chavez would give him an inside beating for the duration of the fight.

 

Are you blind???

Go watch those early rounds of Pac-Cotto again.......

Cotto came out boxing for the first two rounds.......he found it so easy to hit Pac, especially with the jab, that it was he (Cotto) who turned it up and went seeking to destroy........thats when Pac got into the fight.....with Cotto in an aggressive mode is when Pac found it easy use his speed and repeatedly tag a charging Cotto.....

Cotto never tried to get out of that mode until he saw himself in the seat of his pants......by that time Pac had built up too much momentum and Cotto was wilting.....

Then go back to some of the later rounds where Cotto is on his bicycle????
At one point there, Pac is so frustrated chasing Cotto, he literally stops and holds his hands out!

You got it wrong brother, it was Cotto who went looking for Pac after having sucess boxing.

Chavez with his head and waist movements is so much more better defensively that Pacquiao would have a hard time finding him with combinations.


Emmanuel Steward who at one point worked with Chavez said, "Chavez is so underrated boxistically, its unbelievable."
......and he went on to say, "he taught me things at the gym I did'nt even know about!":yep



Where are the mods when you need them?
They're around taking down threads in the general that should stay up.......and there nowhere to be found when there are two threads of exactly the same title floating around.........I made my voice heard on this subject in that other thread.......

Pacquiao is made to order for Chavez.....Chavez can brawl with the best of them, has a better chin than Pacquiao, better skills offensively and defensively, Pacquiao is outright not in Chavez' league as far as boxing ability is concerned.

.....and always the key to beating Pacquiao is to shoot the right hand over Pacquiao's left......
Gentlemen, that right hand of Chavez is as straight as an arrow and its the main culprit in rearanging Meldrick Taylor's face and breaking his orbital bone around his eye socket.

You clowns think you've seen a right hand in JMM and Morales, you aint seen nothing until you get a load of Chavez'!deal:yep:bbb

 

Chavez was a beast. See a late stoppage for JC.

 

Pacquiao is very strong and powerful when he connects.....and thats the thing right there......fighters like Hatton and Cotto did'nt have the defense with their head and waist movement to ride a burst of momentum by Pacquiao.....
I could definitely see where Pac would catch Chavez with a straight left......but Chavez is not fool, he knows when he's been tagged a good shot, and he knows how to ride that wave and temporarily go into defensive mode with his head and waist movements until the danger subsides.......then he's right back with the plan of attack.

...and unlike Hatton and Cotto, Chavez knows how to set traps, fight off the backfoot and get his aggressive foe to run into shots......
He did that several times in the Rosario fight where Rosario tried to pin him to the ropes, and Chavez would make him run into a shot, turn him, and start ripping Rosario's body while now Rosario on the ropes.

The Ring versatility of Chavez is eons above the fighters Pacquiao has been dominating lately.......
......The *******s in this forum have labeled me a JMM nuthugger......they can label me what they want, but I'm here to tell them that JC Chavez was more versatile a fighter than both Marquez and Erik Morales!:deal

 

You really think Chavez was made for Pac... So are you saying that Chavez would not pose as much of a threat as Marquez yeah right.

Chavez would make Manny fight the entire fight something he would not be capable of. You have to consider the head body combos of Chavez the best ever in modern times. There is no way that Manny could score a KO...

Chavez can beat superior hand speed look at what he did to Camacho, Rosario, and Taylor. Taylor was a much faster than Pac.

Pac would eventually tire with all the hard punches to his head as he would be too busy protecting his body. I foresee a savage ko ala Rosario. Pac simply would not be able to withstand the pressure.

If the fight were to occur below 135 the result would be worse as Pac did not show any improvement until the Diaz fight. Lets be honest Chavez is better than both Marquez and Morales. it would take a considerable amount of ignorance of boxing to see that Pac would have a chance.

What would be even dumber would be to presume that Pac could beat Salvador Sanchez.

 

JMM is a completely different style to Pac. At 126 & 130 JMM was probably top 3 fighters in the world p4p, stylistically, JMM is hell for Pac. He possess all the tools to offset Pac's rhythm.

Taylor wasnt "much" faster than Pac. Taylor was very succesful, 5 more seconds and he would have won, that says a lot. Taylor was outlanding Chavez 3-1 in the exchanges, difference is Taylor stayed inside to be hit, Pac will flurry then jump out to get out of range, very fast feet. Pac also hits harder than Taylor.

Pac is neither Taylor or Rosario. If I were to say, he is Taylor & Rosario mixed :yep Except he will actually get out of the way of punches. Its not just handspeed Pac possess, he has virtually every tool in the boxing book.

 

Do you realize I just posted that several posts earlier??


HRRRMMMM,

Must reconsider my position......



Keith

 

I guess I have to agree. Prime Chavez can probably take Pac's best punch and can walk him down. I'm NOT 100% sure of this at all though. Nobody can take Pac's punches for long, but I think Chavez had the skills to get inside and win.

 

At 130 and 135, Chavez by brutal late stoppage
At 140 Chavez by close UD
At 147 Pac by UD

 

Analyze what you say.......

Taylor was much faster handed than Pac......alot of people in boxing circles rate Taylor as the fastest handed fighter ever.

Sure Taylor is not Pac......but Pac also is not Taylor.

Taylor was not a destroyer, he was a boxer, and thats exactly what he did vs Chavez.

People like to say that it was Taylor's choice to brawl with Chavez......that never happened.......It was Chavez who slowed Taylor down enough through each round so it got to a point where Taylor was having a hard time moving around Chavez in a circle, which is what Taylor did for most of that fight with Chavez.

We already know that Pac is'nt as effective fighting on the backfoot, so he's not capable of retreating and flurrying to score points like Tayor did.

At the end of the day, Chavez can fight either on the backfoot making you run into shots, or as the aggressor.
Pac is not as versatile.

Pac's only chance vs Chavez is to be aggressive, because if he lets Chavez come foward and get comfy on the inside, Chavez is going to eat him up to the body.....

When Pac comes in with the left hand, Chavez will shoot the straight thudding right to the head of Pacquiao, and then follow it up with barrages to the body.

Chavez is not your typical counterpuncher.......and you can mock what I'm about to say if it makes you feel better.
.......in a way, Chavez is both aggressive, and counterpunches.
The typical counterpuncher will make you miss and then make you pay.....

Chavez was capable of doing that with his head and body swivels, but what worked even better for him was the now lost art of the Parry..........
Its a lost artform now......go over to youtube and watch any of Chavez' fights, and educate yourself as to how Chavez is able to use his gloves to pick off and deflect shots, and then make you pay as he's doing that.

Just an unbelievable parry'er, never seen anyone in my lifetime who did that better.......and you better believe he'd use it to great effect against Pacquiao!!!!:deal

 

Chavez decision or late ko, you just can't slug it out with a prime Chavez.

 

I can dig the Taylor fight being used to assist the argument for Pac...but thats why I cant see Manny winning a series against Chavez.

Julio proved himself in that fight...He was in against an amazing athletic speciman whose style clearly gave him trouble but still chopped him down and pretty much ruined him as a fighter.

As the rematch and the rest of Meldrick's career showed.

 

Just for the record, I'm PRican and I said Chavez would win.... on another note, last time I checked TITO beat your boy DLH, EVEN TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN i REWATCHED THAT FIGHT... RULES state you have to get points by CLEAN, EFFECTIVE PUNCHING!! Yeah, say whatever u want after that one.