Most skilled fighter in Britain

Agreed.

 

Everyone makes mistakes.

You seem to forget Napa lost (legitimately) for the Euro title about a year ago.

But yeah, Haye was square when knocked down against Barrett.

Very, very small examples. He's skilled enough to be 'World class', something Napa has never got to.

 

Comparing Haye to the greatest heavyweight finisher of all time is like me putting a vid up of Napa and a vid of Miguel Canto.

At the end of the day, different skillsets aside, Haye is better than Napa.

Just because he doesn't have much power, doesn't make him uber-skilled. If he was that good, he wouldn't still be at British level, despite the out of the ring problems he has suffered

I'd say Booth is better, despite Napa having beaten him.

But I'll stick with Haye, despite video evidence to him making some mistakes.

You've shown some evidence of Haye being sloppy, but there are fights when he's performed better. Either way, he's no Valero, as his competition shows.

 

I agree with that Tyson was something extraordinary .... in his prime speed and power I have not seen, his opponents didnt hang around ... a true legend :good

 

also this is exactly what he did for Mormeck.

 

Groves

 

In the Enzo fight, Haye new he wasnt in any danger what so ever, so he could afford to be a bit reckless on order to get the big shots in. Also remember he was cut and paranoyed about the ref stopping the fight. He took a risk and it paid off.

A bad finisher is a fighter that has someone hurt and then doesnt stop them. Haye has only ever hurt one opponent and not stopped them and that was Valuev with his super human freak head with 1 minute to go in the 12th.

Calling Valero and Haye bad finishers is just dumb

 

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Exactly. You'd think haye was always sloppy.

It's like saying 'Foreman didn't have a good chin' and just posting up the Ali and Lyell fights.

Everyone makes mistakes. Haye is good, but to be honest there are no 'Elite' level technicians around at the moment.

Gavin is my best bet to 'make the leap'. Seems real quality.

 

Rob, Valero is not a good finisher, not the biggest puncher aesthetically.

He can start a stoppage well, but then slaps them to death.

Ridiculous, especially for a supposed 'destroyer' like everyone else is making him out to be.

I think Lamont Peterson will box his head off, but even if Valero wins its hardly a big step up is it? I think Arum is giving him average opponents until he's in a position to be sacrificed. Don't sound like an 'Elite puncher' to me as some are making him out to be.

 

If Mosquera is C level then B level must be Terminators/Predators etc and A level would be your average X Men

 

You think Mosquera was 'elite' because he had a bauble round his waist I assume?

He's no Escalera put it this way. Nor was he a Soto or Guzman, who were also at 130 the same time as Valero.

Now he's moving up again to fight another contender in Peterson.

Valero=Most overrated fighter in boxing right now.