Prime julio cesar chavez vs manny pacquiao?

Interesting.

Morales HAD JUST lost to Barrera, who has slowed down, and was beat by Zahir Raheem after he beat Pacquiao.

Oh yeah, Pac beat a GREAT version of Morales!! You think that right?

 

I think this right:

You said Morales was shot when he beat Pacquiao.

I say it is impossible for someone to achieve the best win of their career when they are "shot".

You think this right?

 

Would Chavez win against prime Morales fighting with one eye closed after the 5th round? You make it like Morales is a bum!

 

Morales is no bum by any means. He is a great champ.

That said, JCC would beat Morales too a pulp. Probably breaking some of his ribs in the process.

 

Not true. Many fighters have acheived things once they were way past it and or shot.

The fact that out of Morales' last 6 fights he only won one says to me that he was done.

 

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Then case closed. What is there to debate?

It is proven then that JCC is Zeus, he can not lose in any mythical match-ups.

JCC vs. JMM, MAB, EM, Pac and JCC will come out victorious, regardless of what weight.

Did I read any argument that is valid here?

Nada

When matching up someone mythically, at least make it somewhat objectively.

Match power versus power, speed versus speed, skill versus skill, enducrance versus endurance, and quality of opposition versus the same.

Just don't declare someone being better because you said so, then go "pre-menstrual" when someone disagrees.

 

If you don't like mythical match-ups GTFO of this thread.

 

And on the same note, Pac is very much prime when Morales beat him! I am sure that is your position and I would not actually be surprised a bit.

 

There you are again having your "pre-menoupausal" ranting. Take your hormones to get you over your mood swings.

Just illustrate one objective post in this thread and I bet you you can not do that. Idiot!

 

You're too dumb to understand, that's the problem.

 

I dont believe I'm underrating Pacquiao's ability to box......he can do that, but just as I predicted in the JMM rematch when most in this forum were of the opinion that Pac could chose what he wanted to do with Marquez, either punish him and destroy him as he had done twice to Morales, or outbox Marquez as he had clearly done vs MAB right before the Marquez rematch.....

I said back then that when push comes to shove, Pacquiao was'nt good enough boxistically to stick to a boxing gameplan against someone who's boxing skills were clearly better than his.
......and I was correct......boxistically Pac could not compete with Marquez. Marquez had an out for anything Pac would try.

Freddie Roach has done an exellent job of getting Pacquiao to the point that he could take away a fighters left hook.........DLH, Hatton, Cotto, all fighter who are reliant on their left hooks.......their right hands are not nearly as efficient.....
Pacquiao took away their left hooks and they became ordinary fighters......

Which brings me back to why Marquez looked great vs Pacquiao. He's a skilled fighter that does'nt rely or use one one particular hand or the other.......

......and imo the same would go with Pacquiao fighting any skilled great that uses both hands close to equally.....Marquez, JC Chavez, Duran, Mayweather......all these greatly skilled fighters I'd pick to clearly beat Manny Pacquiao......they are just outright better skilled than he is, much better skilled imo.

Now, listen carefully, I said clearly beat Pacquiao......in no way shape or form am I saying that any of those fighters dominate Pacquiao......
Clearly beating and dominating are two different things.

.....as an example, I scored both the JMM-Pac fights 9-3 in favor of JMM........but I've never said that JMM dominated him.
Even though those fights were 9-3 in favor of Marquez, the fights were too physically taxing on Marquez to say that Marquez dominated him.
There was always that tension when Pac was getting schooled boxistically that he could turn the tide and the fight with a single shot.
......and Pac landed just enough of those straight lefts on Marquez to keep the fights interesting.

 

I'm not objective, I'm the biggest MAB fan in the world. JCC would either KTFO out Marco, or have MAB on the back foot fighting to survive long before the 12th rd. He's just that much better. Chavez was a ****ing monster x2.

 

Pac never wins a fantasy fight! It's very pathetic indeed that haters have to bring out a fantasy fight to have some fighters beat Pac!atsch

 

You can argue your whole life that JMM beat Pac twice but the real score was a draw and a win in Pac's favor and a headbutt (accidental) helped Morales a lot in securing a close win over a one-eyed Pac which he later avenged by two devastating KO's. Both JMM and Morales have styles (boxer/counterpuncher) that can trouble Pac but a brawler like JCC is not likely to beat Pac. Having said these however, I know that Pac doesn't win fantasy fights so Chavez by wide UD or easy KO!