Fighters Ive seen decent footage of..... Robinson Ali Pep Armstrong Duran Leonard Louis Chavez Whitaker Hearns
I have Ali at no2 only behind Robinson..... as did the experts that choose the OFFICIAL best ever 10 p4p boxers of the century. You obviously dont like the man for whatever reason but dont walk around with your eyes closed, its obvious to anycunt with a brain that Ali was easily one of the best boxers in history in any division... there aint any worthwhile argument that says vice versa.... if you are being fair that is. Thats all !
So you're saying Ali was a better fighter than Armstrong and Charles, fighters who we have sufficient footage of and had better careers. I have Ali high, but you can't say there is no argument.
Your head is up your ass.... stop lying to yourself to try win a pointless-to-begin-with-argument. The only 2 posters that I have come across that doesnt have Ali in their top 10 p4p are you & stonehands.... that tells me that if there is more than just you 2 then it almost definitely still means that THE MAJORITY still have Ali in their top 10. Let it go, your dead wrong. Next you`ll be telling us that Pacman is above Ali because he won titles in more weights.
There are many that don't have him there. Bill, to be fair mate you ain't that in to 'older' fighters. I think its you that shows bias mate.
I never meant that there is no argument for not having Ali above those guys, I meant that there is no argument for not having Ali in a top 10.... or at the very least its a very very WEAK argument that likely reaks of bias against the man.
Nope. As a matter of fact I had to force him into my top ten because of my bias for him, despite weight-jumping not figuring highly in my criteria.
No, there are arguments. The biggest is that there were better fighters than Ali. I have him between 14-16, in my Tier 6 alongside McLarnin and Joe Gans.
Its just that I need good footage of a fighter, at least to compare with whats been written about them. Id love to see footage of Greb & co.... I dont doubt they would make my top 10 but I aint going on opinions of others as to how good these guys were. They deserve full respect but they still aint making MY PERSONAL list of fighters that Ive SEEN.
Faire nough, but don't jump on your high horse on other peoples rankings then because they have different criteria:good
Good to see someone else with hypothetical 'tiers'. What are your tiers mate if you don't mind me asking :good
Fair play to other peoples opinions, we all have them... but it all started when he singled out Ali of all people when guys like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Hagler & Sanchez were also on the list.