Harry Greb, head to head vs. the great middleweights

I find this hard to believe.

Is it the commonly held view?

I think that the best way to improve a chin, is through cardiovascular training, not strength training.

 

My point was that Walker was able to be competitive with a much bigger fighter and renowned puncher.

So I don't think the 7lbs he conceded to Greb would've make him any less effective. I.e a great win for Greb.

 

That's true, but it's also true that Greb was on the decline and had encroaching blindness at the exact same time, so it's hard to gauge exactly who's benefitting from what.

 

Look at the most and least durable fighters, the most durable tend to have thick strong necks, strong legs, strong lower back. The undurable fighters tend to be the opposite. Thats why boxers train necks. As you naturally get bigger/stronger you become more durable. Look a Pacquaio being ko'd as a flyweight and being able to take welterweight punch now hes far stronger, his skeleton hasnt changed hes just stronger. Those arent the only factors in durability, but important 1s

Conditioning helps later in fights, if you are tired you are easy to KO.

 

This is also true, Greb fans will point to him declining as the reason for those 2 catching up and surassing him, but Tunney/Loughran also certainly improved, Greb conceded Tunney was too much for him in the final bout although that was also added strenth/size Tunney had developed. Its likely they were pre-prime when he goto them and he was past prime after.

It would be interesting to know if his contempary writers thought he was fading or not so much

 

If you're genuinely interested I'm sure I could pull something up for ya:good

 

Go on then :good

 

When I get int onight I'll go through everything I've got. See whether I can pinpoint any moment where anyone seems to think he's on the slide. I can remember someone saying of the Walker fight that 'this was the Greb of old' or something to that extent.

Bear with me:good

 

harry greb is a ***git! pacquiao will ***** slap dis ***** in da alltime p4p list muther****ers! greb could not hold pacmans jock strap!

 

Well I don't doubt Pacquao's ambition, but shall we worry about clearing up the best welterweights before we contemplate a step up to middleweight or light heavyweight to challenge Greb?

 

General is along the corridor. :hi:

 

Seeings as 95% of any boxing forum is just fantasy why not have a go with Greb too.

His style by most accounts was as an in and out swarmer who brought speed, stamina, durability and heart into the ring. He had other qualities but these are the basic and most prominent tenets of how writers describe his greatness and how he won fights.

Looking at this in a very rudimentary (and that’s all we can do with a guy from such a different era and with no footage available) we’d have to say that straight power punchers might have some success whereas maybe boxers would be at a disadvantage. We can look at who caused Greb problems but there are issues with this. 1 – he fought so often he had to drop some decisions so whether he was just having an off night it’s hard to tell. And 2 – almost all of his defeats come from bigger fighters, which doesn’t really help when looking at him from a MW perspective.

Considering Hagler and Hopkins lost their titles to fast opponents who simply outlanded and beat them with sheer volume them then I’d suggest Greb takes them both. Yes, Marvin and Bernard were past their best but Greb’s record suggests he was a far better MW than Leonard and Taylor ever were. Not saying it’s going to be easy but the odds must be with Greb.

Robinson has the ability to beat anyone. Here we have a good yardstick in La Motta. Jake was not considered as quick or slick or as hard hitting as Greb. If La Motta can take Ray close then I have to suggest that Greb wins at least 3 out of 5 of a series.

Ketchel? A real power puncher, but more of a looping hitter than a straight shooter. He may put Greb down but I’d back Harry to win the fight.

Langford? It’s got to be close. If anything I’d think Sam’s superior strength and power would win the day.

Fitzsimmons probably has a great style to beat Greb.

Monzon? I don’t think there’s anyone Carlos couldn’t figure out and time as they came in. I’d say this is a 50-50 encounter.

 

A wise philosopher once uttered these words....
"There are non so blind as those who have I eyes and DO NOT SEE"....

 

A wise philosopher once uttered these words....
"There are non so blind as those who have I eyes and DO NOT SEE"....