My top 10 P4P Fighters

Like i said, the only thing that i have to concede, but not that i want to, is that if you give the credit to weight jumping, then you can possibly have fighters above him that i don't consider as effective as him in the ring. The likes of Charles, Greb, Robinson can be placed above him solely on resume regardless of the size of the opponents they scalped. In my opinion the quality of the opponents beaten holds more weight than the size of the fighters beaten. But it also must be said creating a boxing legacy is not a strict science but an art, and hence the judgement of such legacy is highly subjective. Muhammad Ali has a good case for being deemed the man who emerged as the best of the two best eras in heavyweight history. His resume is fantastic in my opinion, he holds wins over Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman. He was past his prime fighting in a golden era and came out as good as could be hoped for. There are questionable decisions but the era was truly great and he scalped the best. Number one heavyweight in my opinion and with criteria such as that of the thread starter here, well i could knock him down for being one dimensional in his prime, but he showed some adaptability later on in his career. For effectiveness he is my number one at the weight also, such effectiveness was consistently combined with being proven.

The only way to have guys above him except from the most immortal of never-diers, is if you give more credit to weight jumping than maybe others do. Like i said, i don't lay down strict criteria sets so i can't disagree if that is the case. But he makes my top ten because i think his resume is outstanding. I am not a fan of this man.

 

Pachilles... :tong

 

You are a joke of a human being.

 

To say that Louis should be above Ali at heavyweight on the strength of being more dominant and beating guys who were larger is off in my opinion. Better fighters can beat fighters who aren't as good as them. Obviously i can't speak for every incident in history, but Louis is blatantly one of the finest boxers that ever breathed, so if pitted against fighters larger but who he is better than, i would bet my money on him all day. Ali has better wins in my opinion. I don't discredit Louis, i think his late career win over Walcott is the stuff of boxing legend and folklore. But without analyzing his career in depth, Muhammad Ali beat Liston, Frazier and Foreman. Prime versions if we don't nitpick. The dominance factor, well this is up in the air for preference also. Louis is the most dominant heavyweight in history. Ali emerged as number one in two eras, one of them golden through and through.

Ali for me.

 

Even on that basis I refuse to believe that there arn't half a dozen fighters not on your list, who could score higher than sombody on it.

Ray Robinson was a phenom but there were a lot of other great fighters around at that time of who there is verry good film.

Perhaps sombody like Ezzard Charles has a case.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I am trying to be respectfull.

 

Sorry Janitor I was just messing around, i like Pachilles, he is okay.

 

this is a good thread. at the very least it made me think about my own list and how i create it. i don't have nearly that strict criteria and when i sit down to generate mine, i need to know why i'm making the choices

 

:good

 

:rofl

 

How any astute boxing buff can declare that Ali in prime would beat the Joe Louis,who demolished Max Baer in 1935,baffles me...That Joe Louis fighting any version of Ali, circa Henry Cooper,or any other time,would result in a certain Louis knockout...Joe Louis of that time, lithe and powerful,wasdescribed as a "coil spring unwinding"..In his prime he annihilated his opponents, holding the title for 13 years against whoever they threw against him. Ali on the other hand ,eked out many controversial decisions,used a rope a dope style,when he couldn't fend off his opponents far to often...Yes he was fast,yes he was game,and could dance away from danger,took a good punch, but never ever got hit by a series of hooks and crosses,flush on the button that a prime Joe Louis dished out..Ali always had trouble with smaller,faster punchers like Doug Jones,who could beat him to the punch,then with the big ponderous slower punchers like Liston,Forman etc. Yes prime Louis corners Ali andas some old boxing writer quoted"The human body was'nt built to take Joe Louis's attack when landed"...Yes Joe by KO...